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Fire Extinguishers - what are the best types for car and home?
Category: Family and Home > Home Asked by: dogbreath-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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20 Nov 2002 03:19 PST
Expires: 20 Dec 2002 03:19 PST Question ID: 111178 |
I would like to know what are the best types of fire extinguishers to buy for general purpose use in cars and at home, and how large should they be. Also, I would like to have a link or two to suitable websites in the UK that sell them over the internet. |
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Re: Fire Extinguishers - what are the best types for car and home?
Answered By: cobrien-ga on 20 Nov 2002 10:21 PST Rated: |
Hi dogbreath-ga, Fire extinguishers carried in cars should be, according to various Fire stations Websites, dry powder. Dry powder is a multipurpose extinguisher, suitable for solids (wood, paper, etc), flammable liquids, flammable gases and electrical equipment. It is not suitable for oil fires though, including chip pan fires. Of course, it goes without saying that fire extinguishers are suitable for small fires, but anything bigger should be left to the professionals. They should also be maintained regularly. For car use, one Website recommends a one kilo powder extinguisher. For car fire protection opt for a minimum of a 1kilo extinguisher of the powder type, keep it in the car, not the boot, and learn how to use it. http://www.ourcar.co.uk/fire.htm Remember that if you have a small fire extinguisher, there may not be enough in it to extinguish a fire completely. The Royal Berkshire Fire and Rescue Service also recommend the use of a dry powder extinguisher, although this deals with fires under the engine. If you believe it is safe to do so, attempt to put out the fire with a dry powder or foam extinguisher. If the fire is in the engine compartment, do not open the bonnet but aim the dry powder or foam through the radiator grille or under the edge of the bonnet http://www.rbfrs.co.uk/fsh_car_fires.htm Odiham fire station recommends carrying a small dry powder canister to put out car fires. http://www.odiham-fire-station.co.uk/Safety/Vehicle_Fires.html While researching, I did find a couple of sites that recommend the use of halon fire extinguishers for use in cars. However, there are several problems with these. First of all, they are more expensive than other types of extinguishers, and they are also hard to find. The biggest barrier to using a halon extinguisher is the environmental affects of the gas, and extinguishers of this type are due to be decommissioned in coming months. Many manufacturers have voluntarily withdrawn the halon extinguishers. Under current European legislation the refill of Halon Extinguishers will be banned from 31st Dec 2002 and all units must be withdrawn from service and decommisioned by 31st Jan 2003. http://www.flameskill.co.uk/pages/news.htm The Fire Safety Website contains more information about the phasing out of halon extinguishers: http://www.firesafe.org.uk/html/halon2.htm There are also a couple of drawbacks to using dry powder extinguishers; they are messy for a start. One Website, NSX Prime, suggests that the older dry powder extinguishers may damage aluminium and magnesium. However, the site does point out that the more modern dry powder formulations are less corrosive. http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Accessories/fireextinguishers.htm The UK Fire Service resources page also mentions some of the pitfalls of using a dry powder extinguisher: Danger Safe on electrical equipment although does not penetrate the spaces in equipment easily and the fire may ignite. Does not cool the fire very well and care must be taken to ensure the fire does not flare up again. http://www.fireservice.co.uk/extinguishers.php In the home, according to the UK governments Fire Kills Website, the best type of fire extinguisher to have is Multi-Purpose dry powder or Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF). Multi-purpose dry powder or Aqueous Film Forming Foam (AFFF) are probably the best choices. They have the fewest dangers and are effective on many types of fire. http://www.firekills.gov.uk/protection/06.htm However, the site also mentions some of the pitfalls of using powder extinguishers, such as the fact that it does not cool the fire, the fire may re-ignite or penetrate small spaces well. Aqueous Film Foam is not suitable for electricity fires or chip pan fires. http://www.firekills.gov.uk/protection/06.htm I have already mentioned above that dry powder is not suitable for fat pan or chip pan fires; instead try a fire blanket, which smothers the flames. Even Carbon Dioxide extinguishers are not suitable for these types of fires. The extinguisher table on Odiham Fire Stations Website has more detail. http://www.odiham-fire-station.co.uk/Safety/extinguisher_table.htm The site also has fire safety tips for in the home. http://www.odiham-fire-station.co.uk/Safety/Homesafe.html A fellow researcher with experience in this field, till-ga, has recommended that the size of the fire extinguisher be about six litres, instead of the smaller two litre canisters. If you want to buy fire extinguishers online, there are several resources. MFS Fire Extinguishers http://www.mfs-fire-extinguishers.co.uk/ Expressfire.co.uk http://www.expressfire.co.uk/ Kidde Home & Car fire extinguishers http://www.safelincs.co.uk/products/fire-extinguishers.htm Search terms used: fire extinguishers+home fire extinguishers+car Fire extinguishers+halon fire safety I hope this helps. If you require clarification, please ask and I will be happy to help. Thanks, cobrien-ga |
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Excellent and accurate summary of the issues and some good sites to buy from. Many thanks indeed. |
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Re: Fire Extinguishers - what are the best types for car and home?
From: byprodut-ga on 01 Dec 2002 22:18 PST |
All the info above is by the book. Check otu these sites, search for detailed info. www.nfpa.org www.usfa.fema.org Those are the 2 leading authories in the US. Almost all states fire commissions follow they're laws/codes. BTW, codes are just another name for law. Dry Chem extinguishers are ebst suited for electrical fires, as liguids can cause electricution. As a fire fighter, we use water with a added foam when and where ever possible. Naturally we kill the eltrical supply to the location 1st. Car fires- The autois generally a total lose. What the fire doesn't ruin, the extinguishing agents do. Mt advice is, unless it's a very very small fire, that has just started and you have immediate access to the fire and your extinguisher, is make sure everyone is out of the area, by the time you 1st do that, it's probally to late for the autp, so do not risk getting hurt. Car fires are extremely dangerous without the proper gear. DO NOT TAKE THAT STAEMENT FOR GRANTED. Everything about a car is dangerous around flames. Even some of the metals catch flame and burn. All items produce fumes, gas and smoke that can totally ruin your lungs and fry your brains. Even if not immediately noticiable, these effects can happen years later. When fully doned in fire gear, the heat is still so intense that trying to "grab" some little something form a engulfed vehicle is impossible. When extinguishing the flames, parts of the inside may explode in your face, very new cars will do it everytime. This is besides the burning fuels, oils, tires, seats, etc. Air bags can pop, and then reinflate many times. They have been documented to pop 9 times, and could more then that. batteries have acid fumes, they also can explode. Glass can shatter and fly. magnesium and aluminum parts burn and melt, then splatter when hit with something cool or wet, all the while producing hazardous fumes. Again, before trying to extinguish a fire, get everyone away 1st, and then most likely, the heat won't allow you to get close enough to fight the fire, even so, the car will probally eb a total lose, from flame, smoke, heat and extingusghing agents, damage. Then shop and parts cost for repairs. car most likely a total lose. So do not risk anyones saftey for soemthing that probally will not be saved anyways. HOME Most fire start in the kitchen, probally eltrical. Use a dry chem extinguisher for this. DO NOT MESS WITH ANYTHING ELTRICAL. You may electricute yourself. Other flames/fires Burning cooking oil, do not use water unless life is threatened. because water will make the oil splatter, probally burning you, everyone else, and maybe catching curtains on fire, etc. Instead can douse with flour, works real well, so long as you remove the pan from the pan from the contiued heat source. Use a pan lid to suffercate the flames, anything flame proof that will stop the air flow, and flames escaping. Wood products, clothing, carpet, etc, use plain water. ALWAYS CALL 911 or whom ever provides your fire protection. let them atleast check it out, even if you have extinguished th flames. ESPECIALLY, woods, grass and trash fires outdoors. They very often start back up. REMEBER, always 1st get everyone to a safety location, and call for help, before atempting anything. Also, remeber, burns heal very slowing, even more so, internel burns such as you lungs. Everything emitts fumes, vaors and smoke, these can kill you, in case of harm, may not show up for years and is irreversible, in most cases. About fire extinuisher sizes, always get the biggest you can and still be abe to use. Our dept, never has enough water. PS, in case i didn't mention it earlier, with enough water, pressure, access and control, any flame can be EVENTUALLY extinguished. BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS WORTH IT! some surmon, eh? |
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Re: Fire Extinguishers - what are the best types for car and home?
From: dogbreath-ga on 02 Dec 2002 09:14 PST |
byprodut Many thanks for your sobering but realistic comments from your professional experience. It's well worth knowing the dangers of a little amount of knowledge in the field if one tries to flight a fire with any extinguisher. Just a thought, which came to me when I was reading your comment, do you know if there are any useful, easy to put on, breathing apparatus for non-professional use in homes. (this would be to aid an escape or to allow one to rescue a trapped family member say, not just to try to save the property) Reason I ask is that one of the places we live is a large 200+ years old house miles from emergency fire services. On a slightly different subject, I spend a lot of time in hotels around the world and came across this excellent article by another fire fighter on preventative measures for hotel guests to take, which I now try to follow. Well worth anybody reading I feel. www.evergreenairlines.com/safety_new/html/articles_flight/flt0006.html |
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