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Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
Category: Sports and Recreation > Travel Asked by: wainscott-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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02 Mar 2003 12:12 PST
Expires: 01 Apr 2003 12:12 PST Question ID: 169627 |
Whenever I see an airplane land, I see a brief but large puff of smoke emitting from the wheels hitting the runway. Why dont they spin up the wheels before hitting the pavement to prevent unnecessary wear and tear to the wheels and runway? Im sure this would save the airlines a lot of money in routine tire replacements. |
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Re: Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
From: byrd-ga on 02 Mar 2003 12:48 PST |
This question has been asked before, and the usual response, by pilots at least, is they prefer it that way so that they can actually feel the aircraft contact the runway on touchdown. I suppose that makes sense, though if I were landing, you wouldn't be able to feel it anyway ... :-) --Byrd Commercial Pilot, Instrument Airplane, ASEL Google Answers Researcher |
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Re: Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
From: jdog-ga on 02 Mar 2003 13:41 PST |
aren't most airplane wheels not powered? obviously it wouldn't be that hard to change it, but I believe that usually the pilots wouldn't have a way to spin up the wheels. Besides, I've heard arguments both ways: doing so would increase tire life and doing so would decrease it. Even so, I doubt the added (or lost) wear is all that noticeable when compared to what it takes to actually stop the plane. I have also heard arguments about what some of the other benefits of spinning them up before landing might be, but I'm not convinced that they're even worth the trouble. |
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Re: Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
From: wainscott-ga on 02 Mar 2003 15:59 PST |
I don't know if the following is accurate or not but from what I'm aware of, jets use their engines to brake during the landing. The brakes on the wheels are only used for parking and slowing down during already slow speeds. So the brakes alone shouldn't have a significant affect on the life of the wheels. Please correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Re: Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
From: martinjay-ga on 02 Mar 2003 15:59 PST |
The head of one of the law firms I use had this exact some question and an idea to fix it, get them spinning before they hit the ground. My guess is that there is little chance to get them coordinated as far as landing speed, so you may make things even worse - remember, when the wheel touches down and presses down on the tire, it stops very briefly and deforms. Not sure this is the answer but could be. |
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Re: Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
From: jdog-ga on 03 Mar 2003 22:53 PST |
wainscott, I'm hardly an expert in the area either. Still, I believe the wheel brakes play a larger role than you think. Planes certainly do use many devices to slow them down during landing, but I don't think they completely replace the brakes. I've heard of pilots having knee problems from braking during landing. Maybe byrd could clear up this issue for us. |
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Re: Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
From: martinjay-ga on 04 Mar 2003 10:12 PST |
Jets use their thrust reversers to slow down, not brakes. Usually a translating sleeve on the engine or a cup that deploys behind the thrust exit of the nacelle. |
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Re: Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
From: featser-ga on 04 Mar 2003 15:42 PST |
I'm not an expert either, but neither does it stop me :-) ... Larger airplanes use both engines and brakes to slow down after landing. Soon after touchdown, a jet pilot would engage thrust-reversers. They redirect much of the exhaust in the forward direction rather than backward. This is the roar you hear soon after touch down, when thrust-reversers are engaged and engines are cranked up. If you can see the engine, you can watch the reversers is in action. It doesn't last long, say 10 seconds or so. I'd guess this kills 30-50 percent of the speed. Brakes are probably also engaged at the same time, but then more forcefully after thrust-reversal is no longer effectual. Spoilers are also deployed and ailerons are fully pushed forward (up) to make the wing surfaces grab as much air as possible and push the airplane firmly onto the ground. In a larger prop plane, the pitch of propeller blades may be reversed to do the same thing as thrust reversers, that is, the angel of the blades is swiveled such that they push air forward rather than backward (the engine cannot turn backwards, of course). On the original question, airplanes wheels are not powered. A plane moves via it's engines, being pushed or pulled by a tug on the ground, or by the wind. On why wheels aren't spun up prior to touch down, this is a very difficult problem. First, ground speed would need to be calculated, as this is different than airspeed. Airspeed is the combination of wind speed and it's direction plus ground speed. Modern airliners probably calculate ground speed via some sort of radar or maybe GPS positioning. So, if you had this number, then you'd need motors on the wheels to spin them. They would need to be powerful enough to spin the wheels and able to react quickly to speed changes since that's constantly changing in the landing approach. The killer is - and this why it's not done - this would add a lot of weight to the gear. Weight, of course, is money, so if weight can be avoided, it is. It's also more complicated, and complicated things tend to break. Thus, it's cheaper and safer to burn some rubber on the tires rather than spin the wheels to ground speed. Lastly, if you're thinking those wheel motors could move the airplane around on the ground, think again: an airliner fully loaded (with passengers and fuel) weighs several hundred thousands of pounds. Those motors would need to be very powerful - as powerful as that big tug you see pushing them back from the gate. Way too heavy in other words. F - certified airplane passenger |
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Re: Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
From: krobert-ga on 15 Mar 2003 18:28 PST |
The biggest issue with adding the capability to spin up aircraft wheels is the added weight of such a device. Adding weight to an aircraft means adding fuel. Adding fuel is adding costs. Another not so obvious result of adding the new system is that you would have another system to maintain. Your just adding complexity to a system that doesn't need it. krobert-ga Aerospace Engineer |
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Re: Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
From: wainscott-ga on 16 Mar 2003 12:07 PST |
Ok, instead of a motor, how about a bunch of cups attached to the wheels (like a weather vain or pinwheel) so the wind would spin up the wheels. Although this might cause some drag, it has no moving parts and would never need upkeep. |
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Re: Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
From: kenwebster-ga on 03 Apr 2003 12:37 PST |
Pinwheel? I doubt that would work. As feaster stated earlier, most jets use not only wheel brakes to slow them down as well as engine brakes(in the form of reverse thrusters). Most operators, however, tell the pilots to use the wheel brakes as little as possible, because the engine brakes work just as well, and brakes are very expensive to repair. Back to the original question... Airplanes do not spin the wheels before touchdown simply because of a safety issue. The plane flying at a little bit over 100 kts while landing is fairly unstable in itself, but to add spinning wheels to the whole picture, would make the landing not only almost impossible on the pilot, but just as stessfull on the wheels themselves as not having them spin. As far as money spent on replacements, a good pilot, as most Commerical Pilots are, will be able to land the plane very smoothly. Normal tires will give you atleast 750 cycles(takeoffs and landings) And if you think about it, new tires for planes are alot cheaper than new tires for cars. For a average commerical jet, new tires would run somewhere between 25-50 dollars a piece, maximum. Which is alot cheaper than developing and maintaining a device to spin the wheels on a airplane during landing. Hope this helped, Kenneth Webster Certified Commerial Pilot |
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Re: Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
From: nick_s-ga on 25 Dec 2004 17:51 PST |
I am an engineer that has been working on this issue for the last several years. There are actually two patents on fins that pre-rotate the landing gear. Although something is patented, it is not always embraced by the airlines or the tire companies. 1) The device(s) add extra weight to an airplane - and nobody likes extra weight 2) The tire companies have no interest in seeing reduced sales based on extended tire life. Therefore, you are left with the status quo. |
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Re: Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
From: indylead-ga on 19 Jan 2005 11:24 PST |
"Ok, instead of a motor, how about a bunch of cups attached to the wheels " Another problem with this design would be the added drag that would occur. This would of course be good for landing, but not a good idea for take off when you want to increase air speed quickly. I haven't seen the patented ideas, perhaps they solve this? A few people have commented on how difficult it would be to get the wheels spinning to the airspeed of the aircraft. This would not necessarily be needed, as whatever speed the wheels are spinning, some wear of the tyres would be saved. A final thing, just for interest. The field length of an aircraft (the length distance it needs to land safely and determeines what airfields it can use) is based on wheel braking only, not with any other devices such as thrust reversers. This is because in a worsst-case situation the aircraft is gliding in with no engines. The brakes are powered by hydraulics, and use accumulators(?) to store pressure in the event of a loss of pressure elsewhere in the system. I don't know more than that, as my area is aircraft structures, not systems! |
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Re: Airplane Tires and Landing Gear
From: frankpjr-ga on 02 Feb 2005 20:39 PST |
Regarding the following posting; From: nick_s-ga on 25 Dec 2004 17:51 PST My son is working on a science project (4th grade) on this very question. Accordingly, could you possibly provide the patent numbers that you refer to. He has a fairly elegant solution, however, the idea presented has to be original. Therefore, I would like to review the patents to verify that there is no conflict. Thanks for your help. |
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