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2 Tibetan Monks in Nazi Germany? As soldiers?
Category: Reference, Education and News Asked by: dumbo22-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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28 May 2002 20:35 PDT
Expires: 13 Jun 2002 15:02 PDT Question ID: 18654 |
I read in a magazine over a year ago that during WW2, two Tibetan (? maybe from Nepal?) buddhist monks who were on a pilgrimage were captured by the Russians and sent to the Russo-German front as soldiers. They were then captured again and sent to a concetration camp. They survived -- and perhaps were then put into Nazi uniform and sent back to the front? Not sure if there was more to the adventure or not. Where can I find thorough information about this subject? I do not want and will not pay for basic, general overviews. I want the real nitty gritty of what happened, to whom, when, etc. As much color and detail as possible. |
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Re: 2 Tibetan Monks in Nazi Germany? As soldiers?
Answered By: journalist-ga on 10 Jun 2002 16:55 PDT |
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Hello. I believe there is more information in print concerning the Nazi connection with Tibet than you may find on the Internet. A man prominent in the German Third Reich, General Karl Haushofer, was a Nazi who was a Tibetan initiate: "A frequent visitor to Landsberg Prison where Hitler was writing Mein Kampf with the help of Rudolf Hess, was General Karl Haushofer, a university professor and director of the Munich Institute of Geopolitics. Haushofer, Hitler, and Hess had long conversations together. Hess also kept records of these conversations. Hitler's demands for German "Living Space" in the east at the expense of the Slavic nations were based on the geopolitical theories of the learned professor. Haushofer was also inclined toward the esoteric. as military attache in Japan, he had studied Zen-Buddhism. He had also gone through initiations at the hands of Tibetan Lamas. He became Hitler's second "esoteric mentor", replacing Dietrich Eckart. "In Berlin, Haushofer had founded the Luminous Lodge or the Vril Society. The lodge's objective was to explore the origins of the Aryan race and to perform exercises in concentration to awaken the forces of "Vril". Haushofer was a student of the Russian magician and metaphysician Gregor Ivanovich Gurdyev (George Gurdjieff). "Both Gurdjeiff and Haushofer maintained that they had contacts with secret Tibetan Lodges that possessed the secret of the "Superman". The lodge included Hitler, Alfred Rosenberg, Himmler, Goring, and Hitler's subsequent personal physician Dr. Morell. It is also known that Aleister Crowley and Gurdjieff sought contact with Hitler. "Hitler's unusual powers of suggestion become more understandable if one keeps in mind that he had access to the "secret" psychological techniques of the esoteric lodges. Haushofer taught him the techniques of Gurdjieff which, in turn, were based on the teachings of the Sufis and the Tibetan Lamas- and familiarized him with the Zen teaching of the Japanese Society of the Green Dragon. "From The Unknown Hitler by Wulf Schwartzwaller, Berkeley Books, 1990" I couldn't fathom Tibetan monks becoming Nazis, so I looked for Nazis who might have explored the Tibetan path. The other man you seek (or men, it may turn out) will probably be found by perusing print volumes related to the Thule Society and Karl Haushofer. (I stress again, the information is probably primary to print volumes concerning Nazis and/or the occult). At the same site from which the book quote was taken, I located information concerning the Thule Society http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html More information on Hitler and the occult may be found at http://www.crystalinks.com/hitler.html To read more about the Luminous Lodge or the Vril Society, visit http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Vril_Society.htm I believe by exploring the life of Karl Haushofer, you will discover the Tibetan connection, and how two or more "monks" could have been soldiers for the Third Reich. I hope this is the information for which you are looking. | |
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Re: 2 Tibetan Monks in Nazi Germany? As soldiers?
From: dharbigt-ga on 28 May 2002 21:31 PDT |
Between this one and the lightning guy, I'm about to hire a question about what it is you're researching! |
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Re: 2 Tibetan Monks in Nazi Germany? As soldiers?
From: scriptor-ga on 29 May 2002 09:41 PDT |
Dear dumbo22, I did some research on this question. I knew before that quite a number of Asians served in the German armed forced during WWII - Turkmenes, Indians, even some Koreans, to name but a few. Some were volunteers, some were captured non-Russian soldiers of the Soviet Army who had been given the choice either to stay in horrible PoW camps or to join the Wehrmacht, or even the Waffen-SS. They were badly needed for the garrisions in France when the troops originally stationed there had to be transferred to the Eastern front, where the losses were enormous. The Asians (mainly natives of the oriental Soviet Republics) formed third-class ersatz units. I found evidence that a certain number of Tibetans, about 1000, have been in German service in the later years of the war. Alas, their unit was wiped out completely by Soviet troops during the siege of Berlin in Spring 1945. So the two Tibetans you metioned did certainly not belong to them, but it shows that the existance of Tibetans in the German armed forces as such is a fact. So the story of the two Monks might have some truth in it. Indeed I came across two versions of that story, one on this webseite: http://www.soulfulliving.com/livingonpurpose.htm , and the other one here: http://calvarychapel.com/southdenver/Library/Geraci-Gino/BookStudies/10-2SA/2%20Samuel%2010.1-19.htm Sadly, while the two versions have lots of things in common, they also differ in some points. And they can not be seen as real evidence, since no names, dates or military units are mentioned. But it is interesting that the two Tibetans are not referred to as "Buddhist Monks". This might indicate that their story has a true core, but has been "decorated" with varying elements over the years. In this newsgroup posting, Cornelius Ryan (author of "The Longest Day") is mentionend as a source for a report on two Tibetans captured in Normandy. However, I could not find a such passage in his book on D-Day: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=tibetans+cornelius+ryan&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&newwindow=1&selm=3c0e0ccf.1064137%40news.pacific.net.au&rnum=1 I'm very sorry I can't provide you information of higher quality at the moment. That's why I have not written an answer, only a comment. But if these two Tibetans have been captured in Normandy, there is a good chance they were soldiers of the 716. Infanterie-Divison: This German unit was both defending the beach against assaulting Americans and formed by "Russians", e.g. captured Red Army soldiers who have decided to change sides - since the two Tibetans have been in the Soviet Army before, they might have been part of the 716. Inf.Div. The official records of this unit are still available at the Federal German Archives: http://www.bundesarchiv.de/bestaende.php?BestID=1534 If these Tibetans have been captured by US troops in Normandy, their names must be registered in the divison's documentation - Germans take such things very serious. Well, it is not much, but maybe it helps you. Regards, Scriptor |
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