When I burn a CD copy of a non-stop music mixed CD, my CD Creator
software insists on deleting 2 seconds off the end of each track, and
continues to do so on each additional generation (2+2+2... and so on),
destroying the
continuity of the mix...other than burning a master and inserting 2
second pauses between the tracks for copying purposes, is there any
way to overide this annoying problem which renders the mixes
unlistenable?...I've tried "copy CD image" and it still clips off the
end of each track...so frustrating!...same thing happens with Nero
software...wassup???

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Request for Question Clarification by j_philipp-ga on 30 May 2002 12:08 PDT

What CD creator software do you use? 
 
A search in Google Groups reveals that Easy CD Creator 3.01x and 3.5
are known to cut the last seconds of a song when reading them from CD. 

Dear Sir, 
 
I will explain it for NERO! 
 
1) choose new audio CD 
2) add the songs you want(*.wav) 
3) mark all the songs 
4) doubleclick on the songs 
5) You get a window with Audio Track Info, (tab: Track Properties) 
   you see the option PAUZE(this add the 2 seconds off the end of each track),  
   fill in: 0 (seconds) 
 
I hope you can enjoy your self-made mixes! 
 
Kind Regards, 
 
Pythagoras 

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Request for Answer Clarification by kidvybes-ga on 30 May 2002 15:07 PDT

The problem is in the extraction of the track to .wav file...not in
the compilation process before burning...when I extract the file (from
a CD) to my hard drive, the program deletes the last 2 seconds of the
track...so the wav file resulting is corrupted...I am not referring to
setting the pause after the extraction process...It is in the
extraction process that the problem occurs...  

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Clarification of Answer by pythagoras-ga on 31 May 2002 01:14 PDT

Dear Sir, 
 
I misunderstood your question, but I will help you again. 
My answer works. Also with your problem. 
But you cant copy the CD "on the fly", from CD to CD; you have to save
the tracks one by one on your harddisk, via NERO: option RECORDER,
save track.
And then,(1)you choose new audio CD, (2)you add the saved tracks FROM
YOUR HARDDISK to your audio comilation,....(3),(4),(5).
Excuse me, I cant refer to a site. I burn CD's by my own, also mixes,
and on this way it have to work.
 
Kind Regards, 
 
Pythagoras 

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Clarification of Answer by pythagoras-ga on 31 May 2002 09:47 PDT

Dear Sir, 
 
If the above answer is still not correct, I suppose you read and
follow the comment of browolf!
 
Kind Regards, 
 
Pythagoras 

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Request for Answer Clarification by kidvybes-ga on 31 May 2002 09:50 PDT

Ok...when I extract the track (original length 2:20) to my hard drive,
the resulting wav file is only 2:18 long...if I burn that to a CD
(designating 0 sec. for the "pause" length) and re-extract the track
from this newly-burned CD, the 3rd generation wav file is now 2:16
long(and so on)...this is not an audio player problem as the others
below address...this is something to do with multiple generations of
burned discs created by these software programs (if I copy the
original CD track, which is from a commercially produced CD, the track
is duplicated exactly and not shortened)...it is frustrating because
if I try to copy my own mix compilations for friend, the track edits
are corrupted resulting in a poorly edited mix, even though the
original has clean edits (blends)...Now, if I copy multiple
generations on my MAC computer using Roxio Toast, tracks are
duplicated identically regardless of how many generations are
duplicated...is this just another example of the superiority of
Apples' system (AIFF files as opposed to WAV files)?...I wish someone
could properly address this annoying characteristic of the Window's
based burn software... 

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Clarification of Answer by pythagoras-ga on 31 May 2002 11:47 PDT

Dear Sir, 
 
First of all, give my idea a try, follow just the instructions, and
see...
 
REMARK: you have to be sure that the copy of the original CD is burned
correct. First check the length of the track on the copyCD(first
clone) with the length of the originalCD. IF this is not, then the
solution is my first anwer.
 
ELSE: 
 
1)I use the software Nero 5. 
2)I put a mixed CD in my CD-rom(yes, a copy of a original). 
3)I go to RECORDER, save track, I mark them all 
4)I go to options, in the rightcorner at the foot of the window, and I
put the option: remove silence OFF
5) Now, I push the button: GO(all tracks are saved to my hard disk) 
6) If i check the length of the saved track with the track on the
CD(copy) and the original track I dont see OR hear a difference.
 
Kind Regards, 
 
Pythagoras 

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Request for Answer Clarification by kidvybes-ga on 01 Jun 2002 06:48 PDT

Well allright...give this guy a cigar!!!...finally we get to the core
of the problem...your final suggested method works...thanks for your
patience and determination...you've got the Nero process
correctly...Bigup!!!...but I wonder if there's a similar process to
get CD Creator to stop "removing pause at end of track"...anyhow, you
nailed it Pythagoras...Pay the man!!!...and give him a revised 5-STAR
rating...Much Thanks!!! 

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Clarification of Answer by pythagoras-ga on 01 Jun 2002 08:31 PDT

THANKS! 
(dont forget me next time:-), never give too fast stars:-)) 
 
Pythagoras 

The person suggested a procedure that is done after the process in
which the problem I am trying to correct occurs...I am aware of
setting a pause length when arranging the complilation just prior to
burning, but my question refers to copying an existing CD (extracting
and converting to a wav file on the computer's hard drive)...the
advice given is accurate but not utilized until much later in the CD
copying process...therefore, my problem remains unsolved...thanks!

I believe that my question may not have been clear enough...the answer
attached does not address this specific problem...but thanks for the
info

I am not sure if this will solve the problem or not, but it might.
Check out
http://www.cdburner.com/help/cdburnerhelp/creating_your_cd_.htm

It says you can create CDs with no silence between tracks, and you can
also do a bunch of other nifty stuff with the time between tracks.

The name of the product is Acoustica MP3 CD Burner, and you can
download it from here:
http://www.acoustica.com/products.htm

--jld

Again, everybody is addressing the pause settings before burning, but
the problem occurs in the EXTRACTION process, not the compilation
process...

I found a msg on google groups that suggested this problem could be
when your computer plays the cd. ie a problem with playing not
recording:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=vss&threadm=076f01c17eb1%24e65f7010%249ae62ecf%40tkmsftngxa02&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dripping%2Bcds%2Bpause%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Dvss%26selm%3D076f01c17eb1%2524e65f7010%25249ae62ecf%2540tkmsftngxa02%26rnum%3D2

"
>when I play the songs back to back in order (or burn 
>them back to a CD), there is a slight pause in between 
>tracks.

Assuming that you use Winamp to listen to yer tracks (but 
this probably goes for other audio players as well) the 
driver used to read mp3/wav/cd audio is closed at the end 
of every track and then re-opened to start the next one, 
on a fast machine this can be very quickly done, but will 
produce the gap you talk of - it's PROBABLY nothing to do 
with the way you burn your discs. If you do use Winamp 
get the Gapless Output plugin, and this will help (I use 
it myself)."

another thread I just found says you have to write using DAO
(Disc-at-once) mode.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=vss&threadm=d076c366.0107032349.6f2f7400%40posting.google.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dcopying%2Bmusic%2Bcds%2Bpause%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Dvss%26selm%3Dd076c366.0107032349.6f2f7400%2540posting.google.com%26rnum%3D1

the final msg refers to an article on adaptec's website that says

"
Why are there audible gaps between my audio tracks? How can I get rid
of them?
If you record an audio disc in Track-at-Once mode, there will be a gap
of two seconds between tracks. You must record in Disc-at-Once mode to
get no gap between tracks. "
http://www.roxio.com/en/support/ecdc/ecdcaudiofaqs.html

i think this answer is more likely the right one. 

regards

browolf