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Subject:
Find me another purse like this one
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: apteryx-ga List Price: $15.91 |
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07 Jun 2003 23:18 PDT
Expires: 07 Jul 2003 23:18 PDT Question ID: 214602 |
I bought a leather purse that I absolutely love. It is the first novel design I have seen in decades, since the advent of the magnetic clasp, that really is an advance, an improvement, a brilliant idea well executed, as effective in practice as it is appealing in concept. I would like to be able to equip myself with a succession of purses of this one design for the rest of my life. I would like to have it in three colors right now. I mean, it is a *keeper.* I've bought a lot of purses in my time, and I have never before felt, "This is it." This is just like what they say about true love: "When it's right, you'll know it." I am in earnest here. Is my conviction coming across? Now. Here's the thing. I got this at Mervyn's, having decided some time back that top-of-the-line merchandise at a midrange store can often be better than middle or low end at a top-tier store. I think this is an excellent example of the point. When I bought it, there were only two or three on the shelf, and only in black, in this particular design. There was no other offering that was anything like this, nor have I ever seen its like before anywhere. It was unique. What shall I do to keep this purse in my life? How can I find it in other colors--tan, brown, ivory, red? How can I replace it when it wears out at last? At least I was smart enough to buy two, one to put away. But they're both black. I went to Mervyn's website and entered a query about the item, supplying all the data from the tag. My question: who made this, and where can I find or order this same item in other colors? The answer I got follows: =========== Thank you for taking the time to contact us. Unfortunately, we no longer carry the Hillard & Hanson bag you are looking for. The item that you are looking for was a seasonal product in our stores. This means that we only carried it for that particular season. At the end of the season, seasonal products are marked down on clearance to make room for the next season's products. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you. We value your business and hope you will continue to shop at Mervyn's. Please visit us again at www.mervyns.com. Sincerely, Irene mervyns.com Guest Relations =========== Would a resourceful GA researcher accept the challenge of trying to find out for me who actually made this purse, or was responsible for its ("Made in China") manufacture, whether it is available and where, and how I can find or order it? Here is all the item information I have: Hillard & Hanson Dept 949 Style 10-1209 Color Black Class 65 $50.00 I purchased it at Mervyn's in Santa Clara, California, on May 17. I wish I could supply a drawing or a link to a photo, but I'll just have to try to describe it. The purse is a medium-size black leather sling-style handbag, fabric-lined. It has two zip pockets on the outside and one on the inside. One very nice quality is the fact that it is one of those rare bags that look pretty compact from the outside but are really very roomy within. So far, nice, but nothing extraordinary. You might not look twice. But wait! What makes this handbag unique, beautiful, special, stunning, and adorable enough to fall in love with for life is the strap. The standard sling-style purse has an ordinary strap that attaches on each side at a tapered point just above the two ends of the zipper. *This* strap attaches at one and and, at the other, passes through a metal loop and down the back of the bag to fasten in a buckle at the base of the bag. Said another way, the length of the strap comes up from the base and through a hoop at the top. From the hoop to the other side of the bag it is like an ordinary shoulder strap. The sling bag zipper can be open or closed beneath it. BUT if you pull the slack of the strap through the hoop--so the slack is not across the opening but across the back of the bag--it's just like one of those one-shoulder backpack-style bags. The two points where the zipper ends are situated come together, and the material in between tucks itself in like the folds of a pop-up greeting card. And--here's the best part, I can hardly stand the thrill of telling you this, and I would use italics and boldface if I could--this has the effect of closing the bag without the zipper's being closed, so it can be open and closed at the same time!! It is decently shut, easy to carry and reasonably secure, and yet I can reach inside in a sec with ease and extract cell phone, wallet, glasses, whatever--no zipper fumbling, no fastener struggle, and yet also no contents spilling out, no exposed belongings, no problem when I brake suddenly and my purse on the passenger seat does a double-roll to the floor. What could possibly be more perfect, at least for me? I have to admit that I am the kind of person who, when asked if she wants the ice cream or the quarter, has always asked, "Is it necessary to choose one? Can't I have both?" (Lots of times you can! Many supposedly forced choices are just rhetoric. I always ask.) If looking for information about this specific item is a dead end, I would reward a search for a purse of the same design, the key feature being the strap, but would like to invite a request for clarification if someone wants to undertake that. It might be difficult without a picture and would certainly take a lot of looking. I have already tried and given up. Thank you, Apteryx | |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
Answered By: umiat-ga on 18 Jun 2003 00:48 PDT Rated: |
Apteryx-ga! Thank you for allowing me to provide an answer to your question. However, you are right in emphasizing that many have helped you with their comments and clarifications. I feel a bit ashamed to take the credit here, since you have not actually found the purse that is an exact replica of the one you had previously. Yet, I still believe you have two very good choices that come close to providing you with a purse most like your favorite "keeper." If you are willing to invest the money to try out the online model you liked, it is certainly worth a try. Secondly, a custom-made purse is an excellent solution and will probably get you the purse you really want. I would go ahead and contact the craftsman at http://www.em-are-leather.com/contactme/contactme.html The bags look beautiful and the addition of your pictures would provide the accuracy necessary to make sure the purse is constructed just the way you want it. Please let me (and everyone else) know how things turn out. Judging by the overwhelming interest in your question, it seems many of us have experienced the common difficulty of finding just the right handbag!! We will all be anxious to know the end result of your quest! umiat-ga |
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You have done an excellent job of research, umiat, and I thank you. As I said, I will also remember our other fine helpers and pay special attention to them in the future. I ordered the $29.99 bag. It does have the zipper placement and pull-through strap design I'm after, and it is actually deeper and roomier, but the different proportions change the overall configuration to something not quite as versatile. Also the leather is so soft that the sides just sort of collapse in and don't fold over crisply, so the effect is not as successful as in the one I already had. Still, this means that the concept is not unique and that I can possibly find another--and that a custom leatherworker shouldn't have to worry too much about a proprietary design. I would also add that if I had seen this second bag first, I probably would have been thrilled to death with it and not gone on a quest. It's good. It's just not, you know, ultimate. I am also in touch with 'Em Are Leather, as you recommended, and am referring the contact person to this site for information. So--something will come of this, and I'll post a comment when it does. Again, many thanks all around! Apteryx |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: leli-ga on 08 Jun 2003 01:24 PDT |
Apteryx This won't help, I'm afraid, but here it is: "Mervyn's offers goods under its own private labels, including Hillard & Hanson" http://www.hoovers.com/co/capsule/9/0,2163,56329,00.html Hope someone finds you a great purse - Leli |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: apteryx-ga on 08 Jun 2003 18:43 PDT |
Thanks, Leli--I was aware of that. That's why I was asking who made it--assuming that there was an OEM in the picture somewhere, because H&H is just a private brand. I thought perhaps whoever OEM'd this for Mervyn's might have sold it elsewhere under another label. If I could find out who that was, I could possibly track it down. Your comment confirms this but, as you say, does not lead me to an answer. This ingenious design just couldn't have been a solitary, singular anomaly, never to be seen again . . . could it?? Apteryx |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: endo-ga on 08 Jun 2003 19:48 PDT |
Hi, Is there no way you can take a picture of it and upload this picture to the web somehow? Thanks. endo |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: apteryx-ga on 08 Jun 2003 20:31 PDT |
endo, I don't know! Maybe one of the researchers can tell us if there's a way to do that. Certainly I could put a picture on my own website and link to that, but then there would go the privacy of my screen name, because it's not hard to find out who owns a website. Is there a common area of any kind at GA where files can be uploaded without publishing personal information? Or is there any way to link an attachment or embed a graphic within a posted message? Apteryx |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: endo-ga on 08 Jun 2003 20:35 PDT |
Hi, You can upload your picture to: ftp://ftp.membres.lycos.fr username: dbky password: googleanswers If you are not familiar with using FTP, please let me know and I'll guide you through it. Thanks. endo |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: apteryx-ga on 09 Jun 2003 22:28 PDT |
Thanks, endo--I took a bunch of pictures with a digital camera, but I am not at all sure I want to upload anything to a Lycos site in France. What makes it private? Don't they capture IP addresses? Gosh, I wish I could just attach one to this message. Or maybe PinkFreud would let me post my pix alongside that cute photo of a suitable-for-worshiping red-headed doll in a pink dress and the one of Her Majesty with a quirky little amused smile. Apteryx |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: endo-ga on 10 Jun 2003 05:05 PDT |
Hi, There's nothing private about it all, in all cases it's being advertised publicly here. I don't understand what your concern is about IP addresses? I'm sure they don't mind. Thanks. endo |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: knowledge_seeker-ga on 10 Jun 2003 05:14 PDT |
apteryx, If your concern is that the lycos FTP site is somehow monitored by researchers to see *who* you really are, it's not. But to ease your mind, you can set up a completely anonymous site here -- You can upload your photos to: http://www.imagemagician.com You will need to go through free registration first to do so. Then come back here and use the CLARIFY QUESTION button and post the URL so that we can see your pictures. The URL will be the filenames that begin with: "http://www.imagemagician.com/filelist.php?large_view=" -K~ |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: apteryx-ga on 10 Jun 2003 23:47 PDT |
Thank you, Knowledge_seeker, yes--it's the privacy of my screen name that I'm preserving (not that someone sufficiently diligent couldn't penetrate it or that I'm posting anything I'd be ashamed to acknowledge; but what's a screen name for?). Unfortunately the site you referred me to says it's temporarily closed to new-user sign-ups as of June 7th. My pictures are all ready to upload. Is there another way? Apteryx |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: pedersen1-ga on 11 Jun 2003 14:50 PDT |
Take a look at the following page, item # 910. I think it comes very close to what you're looking for. I have a couple of these and they are absolutely great, very high quality but a little pricey.... http://www.adamleathers.com/leatbacpacan.html |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: endo-ga on 11 Jun 2003 14:53 PDT |
Hi, I wouldn't worry too much, no one is monitoring that FTP server. You can safely upload to there and we'll never know anything more about you. Thanks. endo |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: apteryx-ga on 11 Jun 2003 20:07 PDT |
Hey, endo, I'm attempting to connect to the site you gave me through FTP, but when I choose "connect" it says this: !Can't get "ftp://ftp.membres.lycos.fr" host entry !Connection failed ftp://ftp.membres.lycos.fr Maybe I don't have everything filled in right. What goes in the "Host type" box? And if I do connect, how will I know where to put the pix, and how do I give the URL that retrieves them? This could just be me, but I thought that several comments here sounded a bit condescending in remarking on my concerns about privacy. It doesn't seem at all peculiar to me to be protective of one's screen name. Does it to you? I notice that nobody who has posted comments on this page appears to be using his or her personal name. In any case, I didn't say anything about "monitoring." I just don't want to make a posting that amounts to signing my name. Apteryx |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: endo-ga on 11 Jun 2003 20:21 PDT |
Hi, Host entry is just: ftp.membres.lycos.fr >And if I do connect, how will I know where to put the pix You can put the pictures anywhere. >and how do I give the URL that retrieves them? Any researcher can then connect in the same way and look at them. I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sure that it was not intended at all. You are right in taking the necessary precautions, since Google Answers doesn't allow users exchanging personal contacts. I'm sorry if any comments were felt as aggressive. I was just trying to emphasize, that no knowledge of you, could be extracted from you uploading to that FTP. I hope this works out. Sorry for any confusion. Regards, endo |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: apteryx-ga on 11 Jun 2003 20:52 PDT |
Okay, endo, they're there . . . I think . . . like this: ftp://ftp.membres.lycos.fr/Apteryx I think you mean that a researcher (or anyone) would now connect to that site via FTP and download the pix, and not that I can give a URL for anyone to click to bring the pictures up online. Right? So--go look, please, and tell me what you see. As for the remarks, it's ok--I just felt that you and K_R were implying that my concern was something irrational and not just a reasonable precaution. We all have our reasons for availing ourselves of the privacy that GA affords. Aside to pedersen1: that's a beautiful bag, though costing more than twice what I have ever spent on a purse. It might well be worth it. But I can't tell if this has the convertible feature or not. If you can see my pictures, maybe you'll be able to say. I'd spring for a lifetime-quality purchase if it really is the right one. Thank you, Apteryx |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: endo-ga on 11 Jun 2003 21:02 PDT |
Hi, Yes anyone can view the pictures, but what I meant is that hopefully a researcher will look at them and try and help you out. Someone can either connect to the FTP and download them or you can also give out the URLs which are: http://membres.lycos.fr/dbky/Apteryx/Purse1.jpg http://membres.lycos.fr/dbky/Apteryx/Purse2.jpg http://membres.lycos.fr/dbky/Apteryx/Purse3.jpg http://membres.lycos.fr/dbky/Apteryx/Purse4.jpg http://membres.lycos.fr/dbky/Apteryx/Purse5.jpg http://membres.lycos.fr/dbky/Apteryx/Purse6.jpg Sorry I didn't explain how to obtain the URLs before because they depended on where you uploaded the files and what they were called. Just to emphasize again, I'm sure I talk for knowledge_seeker as well when I say that that was not our intention. I appreciate your concern and apologize for any misunderstanding. Hopefully now with the pictures available (which are very nice by the way :) ), a researcher will be able to answer your question. Regards, endo |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: apteryx-ga on 11 Jun 2003 21:10 PDT |
Exceedingly cool! Thank you, endo! It is great to know how to do this now. (I hope I am not trespassing on somebody's property--I feel as if I had just climbed someone's fence and stolen a peach from their tree. AND left my calling card in the grass.) Thanks to everyone who's taken such an interest in my quest. Now, umiat, are you still interested in pursuing this one? Apteryx |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: pinkfreud-ga on 12 Jun 2003 13:19 PDT |
Hi, Apteryx! My purse-searching endeavors have not been successful, but I wanted to remark upon the wonderful bespectacled orangutan who is helping you to exhibit the purse. I've always felt a certain kinship with auburn apes. ;-) ~Pink |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: apteryx-ga on 12 Jun 2003 15:53 PDT |
Thanks, Pink--I can see why! That's my little monk from the Zen monkastery. I added the specs because he's had a little eye trouble ever since his sudden enlightenment. He seemed just the right fellow to help me demonstrate "not this, not that." Apteryx |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: bobbie7-ga on 12 Jun 2003 15:59 PDT |
Hi Apteryx, I located a ladies leather sling bag which is similar to the one you're looking for. They carry navy, offwhite, burgundy, green, brown and black. You can view the bag at different angles by placing your mouse on the small pictures. Price: $29.99 http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PROFRAME&PROD_ID=29946 What do you think of this bag? Thanks, Bobbie7 |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: journalist-ga on 15 Jun 2003 09:56 PDT |
Greetings Apteryx: I uncovered a bit more confirmation of Leli's comment: At http://www.thedesertsun.com/news/stories/features/1036722289.shtml there is an article titled "Nifty to be clothes thrifty." In the right sidebar, is the statement "Beware of knockoffs. A skirt may, at first glance, appear to be the Burberry "check." If inside it says Hillard & Hanson, its from Mervyns." It may be that Mervyns had this bag designed and then they decided to discontinue it. The above statement led me to believe that "Hillard & Hanson" is Mervyn's store brand name. I found confirmation of that at http://www.westcov.org/council/pr020401b.html where it is stated "The women's selection, from Mervyn's exclusive Hillard & Hanson® career wear line, includes a pantsuit, coordinating skirt, sweater twin set, blouse, accessories, shoes and hosiery." ********* However, I located an Ebay seller who has previously sold Hillard & Hanson purses. The Ebay page for the seller is located at http://www.stores.ebay.com/psiloveyou/plistings/list/all/dept2/index.html and you may send an email to the seller through the Ebay system when you are logged in. Just click on the seller's user name at the top of the page and you'll be prompted to sign in. Here's a link to the current Ebay general listings on a search there of "Hillard Hanson purse" in the "Search title and description" area. I hope you find a source for these bags. It is a *very* cool and practical design. Best regards, journalist-ga SEARCH STRATEGY: Hillard and Hanson Hillard & Hanson Hillard Hanson handbag Hillard Hanson purse Mervyn's Hillard & Hanson |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: apteryx-ga on 15 Jun 2003 12:38 PDT |
Thanks, Journalist. Hillard & Hanson is in fact one of several Mervyn's store brands, as I acknowledged in my June 8th reply to Leli. I searched on that name and everything else I could think of before I posted a question here. GA researchers typically think of angles I don't see or draw upon their own store of knowledge and lore to frame a search string, but this one seems to have been a stumper. The eBay link is interesting, and you're the first to suggest that; but I don't see anything there that resembles my target. However, maybe-maybe-MAYBE some enlightened designer or buyer will see these remarks and think about helping to make this design more readily available! Wouldn't that be interesting? Apteryx |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: umiat-ga on 18 Jun 2003 21:31 PDT |
apteryx, Thank you for the very nice rating and tip! Keep us informed! |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: mark800-ga on 07 Aug 2003 17:38 PDT |
I enjoyed reading this question and kept hoping it might be answered the further I got into it. Forget the "customer relations" people. My recommendation is to contact the BUYER at Mervyn's and find out from him/her where they got the purse. I guess it's unlikely that you are located near their HQ so I would call Mervyn's HQ and get the name/phone of the BUYER responsible for handbags. Then I would write a short letter stating what you are looking for. Include an 8x10 photo and all the other info you have. I would send this Airborne to possibly get more attention (and not bend the photo.) Be sure to include your contact phone #'s & email - stress that it is okay to call - (buyers are very busy people likely won't have time to write snailmail back). Follow up with a call if you don't hear anything. I'd also be ready with another Airborne pack if necessary (if they claim they didn't get it.) It may be that the buyer has moved on to another category, but he/she is probably around somewhere. They might also put you in touch with the rep who sold them this item. (you are right in that it is probably marketed under another brand somewhere. Again - go to the source, the buyer at the store HQ. Hope you find it. Mark |
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Re: Find me another purse like this one
From: gyanendra-ga on 25 Nov 2003 16:58 PST |
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