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Subject:
Deep cylcle battery
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: boomering-ga List Price: $3.00 |
Posted:
30 Jun 2003 09:47 PDT
Expires: 05 Jul 2003 09:35 PDT Question ID: 223550 |
I've got a sump pump backup power supply that calls for two 12V lead acid "Battery Council International (BCI) Group 27 Deep Cycle Marine Batteries, such as DieHard Model 27524. The output is 120VAC at 15 amps (I have my doubts about this, because it won't power a 700 W halogen lamp at nearly the same brightness as the regular line outlet will. Unfortunately, the life of these batteries seems to be about 2-3 years, and the warrantee is is only a year or less. My question is whether a DieHard Gold battery with a 72 month warrantee would improve my battery life and/or expenses. I realize that any decisions to change battery types would be fully my responsibility. I just want the rationale for the deep cycle specification. Are there performance/safety issues involved? |
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Re: Deep cylcle battery
From: eek-ga on 01 Jul 2003 23:15 PDT |
A deep cycle battery is required. A DieHard Gold battery (like all car batteries) is designed for shallow discharge at high current (starting a car). A deep cycle is designed for the deep discharge that will occur when running a pump in a blackout. Deep cycle batteries are also used in boats, RVs, fork lifts, and computer UPSs. The difference being a 50-80% discharge and a 10% discharge and due to cell geometry. I am wondering why are your batteries only lasting 2-3 years? Do you have many black outs where they are being used? An unused backup should last longer (2 times as long?). Battery life can be extended by limiting "depth of discharge" (DOD) on the batteries. In this case, that would mean adding additional batteries. A rule-of-thumb that I've seen used is 50% DOD. There may also be maintenance that could/should be performed on the battery. The warrantee on the battery is going to be calculated by the manufacture to limit their exposure, which is why the 12 month versus 72 month difference. Also, your inverter probably only supplies a 15A surge to start the pump after which the continuous output current falls to some lesser value. This is why your halogen is dim. I would expect this rating to be somewhere on the casing. Search terms: (Goggle and groups.google.com) deep cycle maintenance sump pump back up deep cycle faq Bradley |
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Re: Deep cylcle battery
From: boomering-ga on 02 Jul 2003 06:56 PDT |
Hey Bradley, thanks for the input. I'm wondering, though, why the auto battery wouldn't work, and work well. The pump only runs long enough to drain the sump, which is usually less than a minute. I used to have cars that would have to crank almost that long to start, and turning over a big V8's gotta take a lot mor amps than running the pump. As to the 2-3 year life, the guy at the sales company told me that was typical. I suppose that it could be overcharging. We have rarely had a power failure, and at that, I can't remember one where the pump engaged. So no, it's not overuse. Hmmmmmmm Boomering |
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Re: Deep cylcle battery
From: eek-ga on 02 Jul 2003 15:33 PDT |
I would expect the front end battery charging circuit to be able to supply most, if not all, of the pump load when powered from the AC line. This would imply that the battery is never being discharged just like operation in a UPS. I've heard figures of six to ten years for UPS battery replacement. I bet someone else can testify to the actual replacement schedule for little used UPS batteries. I have six year old UPSs that have not been taken care of, which still provide some off-line usage. If you don't experience power outages where the sump must run, then I would go ahead and give the Diehard a try. It may only last one or two rundowns, but if they never occur then there should be no problem. To test the charger, I would measure the output voltage when the charger should be in "float" mode. Compare it to the chart at: http://uuhome.de/william.darden/carfaq13.htm If the batteries are undercharged, "sulfation" can occur which is a build up of lead sulfate, which completely insulates the cells. Also, what is indicating a bad battery? Does the sump have some sort of test mode? You might also contact the manufacturer of the pump/charging circuit to see if there were any recalls on defective chargers. Bradley |
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Re: Deep cylcle battery
From: boomering-ga on 03 Jul 2003 08:29 PDT |
Hey Bradley, Yeah, the pump is really never used during a power outage, but the possibility for the need of it during an outage is why I bought it. The status is indicated by a pair of LEDs, and whether they're steady state or flashing. When the system failed, it was such that it would always be in the "hard charging" mode, which runs with a cooling fan. When I called the sales office (I don't have access to the manufacturer), I was told that this constant charging was a symptom of battery failure, and that replacing the batteries should restore normal operation, which is what happened. I was also told at this time that 2-3 years was normal life, and of course, they couldn't tell me why. Replacement of both batteries costs approximately $160. I never really did basic voltage and current checks, so I don't know for sure whether it's over- or undercharging. I've only replaced the batteries once (this Spring), so it may be that the original pair were defective. It's just that if they need replacing again in a year or two, I'd like to use a model with a longer warrantee so I don't keep gettin clobbered with that replacement cost. At any rate, your input is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Boomering |
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