![]() |
|
![]() | ||
|
Subject:
The origin of the rubber chicken . . .
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: stevehd-ga List Price: $50.00 |
Posted:
23 Jul 2003 15:52 PDT
Expires: 22 Aug 2003 15:52 PDT Question ID: 234353 |
I've tried in the past to find the origin, inventor or even the circumstances around the invention of the comedy prop, the rubber chicken (For clarification see: http://www.mcphee.com/bigindex/current/09511.html). I've spoken to elderly comedians. I spent two days digging through chicken patents at the UMass Library with no success. I even managed to extract a "we don't know" letter from the Smithsonian Institute. So far, I've heard plenty of anecdotes, but the true origin and history has remained elusive. What I am looking for is a real academic, footnoted history. I know it's a tall order, but hopefully this information exists already. Somewhere, someone has walked these steps before me. I cannot believe that I am the first to ask. | |
|
![]() | ||
|
There is no answer at this time. |
![]() | ||
|
Subject:
Re: The origin of the rubber chicken . . .
From: journalist-ga on 23 Jul 2003 16:35 PDT |
Greetings Stevehd: I was able to come close but...no cigar. Below is what I located. If you feel it is an acceptable answer, I'll be happy to post it in the answer area. ********* "Mrs. Beatroot Says "During the war we could not get hold of fresh meat. Rubber, however, we had in abundance and thus the first Rubber Chicken was created. It makes a superb substitute for the real thing, with the added advantage of taking much longer to chew." [I believe this is but a joke.] From http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/p-jokes/fav/rubber-chicken.html ********* "Nobody is quite sure when the first rubber chicken took flight. Its history might go back to the dawn of the rubber age in 1839, several show business historians say. "Kathryn Keyes-O’Dell of the International Clown Hall of Fame says the legendary Joseph Grimaldi is widely credited with incorporating fake food into his act to delight British audiences — and he is widely hailed for developing the often dubious art of prop humor." From http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/WolfFiles/wolffiles109.html ********* Also at the site above was a reference to Rose, owner of Loftus: "Rose and his father-in-law started Loftus International as a novelty store back in 1939. It’s now a major wholesaler and exporter with 47 employees. And it’s America’s only manufacturer of floppy fowl." "Loftus Novelty was founded in 1939. The first shop was a tiny hole in the wall located in down town Salt Lake City. Loftus Novelty was the first business in Salt Lake City to offer novelty and magic to the public. In the 1960's Loftus became a wholesale only company. At this time our inventory was greatly expanded to include items from all over the world. We also became a major distributor of balloons in the United States. In 1995 Loftus Novelty was changed to Loftus International in response to our increased importing and exporting business. Loftus International has continued to grow into one of the premier novelty, magic and balloon distrubutors in the United States." From http://www.loftus.com/loftus_about.htm Their mascot is the rubber chicken. See http://www.loftus.com/loftus_about.htm ********* I checked US patents for the rubber chicken and found none. Results page is at http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=0&p=1&f=S&l=50&Query=CCL%2F%22rubber+chicken%22&d=pall ********* "I tried to find the history of rubber chickens but I only found one sentence that said that it was a joke started by the French during the French Revolution." From http://www.baisoftware.com/brett/chicken.html [aside: for a chuckle, search "French military victories" using Google with the "I'm feeling lucky" button.] ********* Should I discover more info, I'll post it for your consideration. Best regards, journalist-ga SEARCH STRATEGY: first "rubber chicken" origin "rubber chicken" inventor "rubber chicken" phrase "rubber chicken" history "rubber chicken" US patent office |
Subject:
Re: The origin of the rubber chicken . . .
From: stevehd-ga on 24 Jul 2003 12:59 PDT |
Sorry to do this to you as I know you put a lot of time in, but the search is going to have to continue. I've the article by Buck Wolf. Not a bad explanation, but he misses the fact that the British Clown in question used hard rubber vegetables in his act, rubber carrots and the like. A floppy rubber chicken would likely not be available for another 100 years or so as latex injection technology took two World Wars to perfect.. I did call the International Clown Hall of Fame he quotes (over six months ago), and they were of limited help although they were incredibly pleasant. The same cannot be said for Loftus. I called them over two years ago (a fact which exposes just how long I’ve been obsessed with this question). As far as I can tell, they thought I was a competitor trying to steal their trade secrets. They wouldn’t even tell me when their company started making rubber chickens. It was a very surreal experience. Speaking of the French Revolution, I do have a copy of a wood-block print of a fool holding two dead ducks, which look startlingly like rubber chickens. Apparently the print was the punch line of a joke about a fool who killed his ducks during a rainstorm to insure that they would not drown. For all I know this is still funny to the French. |
Subject:
Re: The origin of the rubber chicken . . .
From: journalist-ga on 24 Jul 2003 14:17 PDT |
Dear Stevehd: I understand which is why I posted a comment instead of an answer. :) Perhaps I'll be able to assist you in a future query. Good luck! Best regards, journalist-ga |
Subject:
Re: The origin of the rubber chicken . . .
From: ulu-ga on 25 Jul 2003 15:42 PDT |
It is the age-old question, "Which came first the rubber chicken or the rubber egg?" Perhaps it was the rubber egg, if you consider the use of the Fool's bladder. http://bapfelbaumphd.com/Entitlement_to_Feelings.html In the first traveling village shows, it sufficed to hit someone with a bladder, and in much later vaudeville, a rubber chicken. http://www.aaronneathery.com/film/CaM/cmarticle5.htm A classic Clark and McCullough burlesque sketch was titled "The Courtroom," which had Clark as the judge at the trial of a strip-tease performer. Every time an attorney spoke, Clark would hit him with a bladder and shout, "You're trying to inject hokum into this case!" http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Corner/5856/fool.htm 1.8 The Bladder on a Stick: Though less in favour today, the traditional Bladder-on-a-Stick still has the capacity to cause much amusement amongst the younger generation and the feeble-minded. Your print of the fool with the ducks might tie into this. You would think success like this would have a thousand roosters claiming parentage. Good luck with your quest. |
Subject:
Re: The origin of the rubber chicken . . .
From: ulu-ga on 26 Jul 2003 03:20 PDT |
http://smallbiz.ksl.com/speak-8547i.php "The story begins in 1939. George Loftus saw a need for novelty items and magic tricks in Salt Lake City. So he and his stepson Gene Rose opened a tiny shop.... One of his first items was an electric nose cleaner made from a rubber finger and a cord. Shortly thereafter, Loftus Novelty produced and marketed the first rubber chicken made of Latex rubber. The product spread nationally, and Gene bought the rights to the original rubber chicken mold." Does this mean Gene bought the rights from some other company or he personally bought the rights from Loftus? There was a 1930 newspaper article that mentioned a "rubber chicken banquet". Could there have been an different phrase describing rubber chickens back then? |
If you feel that you have found inappropriate content, please let us know by emailing us at answers-support@google.com with the question ID listed above. Thank you. |
Search Google Answers for |
Google Home - Answers FAQ - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy |