Hello, bouncer4-ga!
I wanted to get this answer to you *before* Tuesday so that you could
digest it and follow through on some of the additional contact
information I have suggested if you so desire.
There is no denying that credible information concerning detection
rates for injected Stanozolol (Winstrol V) is elusive in the
conventional literature. However, I have found references for
detection rates that exceed 3 months. An article written by Ben
Johnson's coach actually mentioned detection rates as high as 13
months!! Unfortunately, there is no scientific citation to back up his
statement. References to detection rates of three to five months seem
to be the most common.
While there are no written transcripts of the Dubin Inquiry online, I
have located a Canadian government source of the transcript, noted
below. I do not know if you can persuade them to expedite a copy to
you in the time you have available, however. Aside from that, I have
found quite a good overview of Johnson's steroid use leading up to the
Seoul Olympics which should prove helpful.
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WINSTROL OVERVIEW
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Winstrol
"Winstrol is a common brand name for the drug stanazolol. Stanazolol
is a 17-aa steroid, designed for oral administration but also
available in injectable form. Winstrol is classified as an anabolic,
exhibiting low androgenic side effects. Its' anabolic properties
however are not dramatic and is often used in combination with other
drugs, most commonly during cutting cycles when water and fat
retention are a major concern. In the U.S., the Zambon brand name from
Spain seems to be the most popular. It is supplied in 2mg tabs and
50mg water-based injectable ampules. Common dosages are 10-25mg/day
orally and 25-50 mg daily injected. On the black market, tabs sell for
$1-2 each and ampules usually cost $15-20. Obviously Winstrol can be
very expensive to use. 30ml of injectable Winstrol-V (U.S. Veterinary
product) is usually more cost effective but legitimate bottles are now
rarely seen due to strict gov't control. There are many forms of
counterfeit Winstrol, so one should be careful when purchasing this
product. The Zambon tabs are pink and come 20 to a strip. The Zambon
injectable ampules and American Winstrol-V have been duplicated with
good accuracy. One should make sure the water and steroid separate
when the vial is left out on a table for some time."
From "Anabolic Profiles." True Muscle.
http://www.truemuscle.com/profiles4.html
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DETECTION RATE FOR INJECTABLE STANOZOLOL (WINSTROL - V)
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The detection rates noted for injectable Winstrol vary with the
source. Unfortunately, there is no authoritative backup for the rates
mentioned EXCEPT for the first reference noted by Di Pasquale from a
1992 article.
From "Bodybuilding Case Study." ExRx Competitive Bodybuilding.
http://www.exrx.net/Bodybuilding/CaseStudy.html
"Stanozolol (Winstrol-V) has been detected in the urine of an athlete
4 months after cessation of its injection." (Di Pasquale, 1992, A).
Reference:
Di Pasquale MG. Beating drug tests: part 2. Drugs in Sports 1992 (A);
1(3):6-12.
*** About Mauro G. Di Pasquale: ***
http://www.metabolicdiet.com/maurodipasquale.htm
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From "Detection Time for Winny." The Anabolic Discussion Board (2001)
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/archive/2/2001/09/3/54514
Excerpts follow (and foul language is deleted!!):
Question:
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"I have a drug test tommorow and I finished a winny only cycle about 7
weeks ago, will I be OK? It is an NCAA one, how long is winny in your
sysytem?"
Response:
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"Wow - this used to be the drug of choice but the IOC recently changed
methods of testing for it (not sure if this affects NCAA or not).
Anyway their test can now detect a metabolite of winstrol up to 6
months out. I believe the metabolite is fat soluble which leads tot he
long detection period. We had some conversation on this a few months
ago. You may try a search but that was how we left it off - not sure
about NCAA though. Obviously this has some far reaching effects for
Olympic atheletes and coaches since this was one one of the standby's
due to short detection times."
Response:
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"Whinny oral, or injected is detectable up to 5 months."
Question:
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"Are you guys serious, I heard that it was only active for 3-4 weeks
on every board I have checked!!"
Response:
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"Active and detectable are two diff things. They test for metabolites,
and winnie's are fat soluable (from what I have read) but if they do a
test/epitest ratio you should be fine.
MadCow1 It depends on the test they give you.
Response:
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"If you are an olympic athelete ...... they test for metabolites and
winny metab is fat soluable. Detection has been rumored to be 5
months+. From what I can gather this is a relatively recent change
within the past couple of years. Obviously they don't advertise this
stuff in the press as they don't want people beating it."
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From Steroan Sports Enhancment Specialists website:
http://www.steroan.com/mainpage.htm (click on link for "Knowledge")
Steroid Detection time:
"injectable Stanozolol - 3 months"
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(There are no references cited for the "detection rate" information
contained in the following article, written by Ben Johnson's former
coach.)
From "Anabolic Athletics - A Brief History of Drugs in Sport," by
Charlie Francis. Testosterone Magazine. (Reprinted in Feb 21, 2003
issue. Original date unknown)
http://www.t-mag.com/nation_articles/249grnd.jsp
"Ben Gets Busted, or Does He?
"Of course the most famous "success" for the drug testers was the
positive test on Ben Johnson in 1988 at the Seoul Olympics. For those
in the know, this positive test led to more questions than answers.
The accepted clearance time for Winstrol in 1988 was three days for
the oral form and 14 days for the injectable form (Winstrol-V or
Strombaject). Ben was 28 days clear, yet the parent compound was
found. The parent compound has a life expectancy of 45 minutes to one
hour after administration! The testers have claimed that Ben took it
just before the race. I can state categorically, no he did not!"
"Be that as it may, that was then and this is now."
****
"The advances in testing have made the threshold of detection ever
lower, leading to current clearance times ranging from 14 days for the
oral form to as much as 13 months for the injectable form."
****
(Again, I wish there was a credible refernce for the 13-month
detection rate!)
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Basic Information concerning the use of Injectable Winstrol
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"Winstrol/Stromba." Steroid Profiles. Bodybuilding.com
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catwinstrol.htm
"Winstrol Depot." Anabolic Review.com
http://anabolicreview.com/drugprofiles.php?steroid=87
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INFORMATION ABOUT BEN JOHNSON, COACH FRANCIS AND THE DUBIN INQUIRY
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The Dubin Report with Johnson's testimony transcripts is not available
online. The official title of the report is:
"Commission of Inquiry into the Use of Drugs and Banned Practices
Intended to Increase Athletic Performance, Report,by "Dubin, Charles L
1990, 638 pages.
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/INFOX/02/ix0709.html
I called the Depository Service to inquire about ordering the report.
They have only 2 copies left. If you are interested in obtaining a
copy, the cost is $29.95. The report normally ships in 3
weeks....however, you may be able to persuade them to overnite it!!
The toll free number to call is 1-800-635-7943.
The item number is CP32-56-1990--E (for the Engish version)
If, for some reason, I did not get the correct item number (since the
conversation was breaking up quite badly), you can simply ask for the
title of the report.
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I have also located a video clip of a portion of Johnson's testimony.
While I was unable to load the clip, I HOPE it will work for you!
*** Video Clip of Ben Johnson testifying at Dubin inquiry: ****
=================================================================
Real Video June 12: Ben Johnson testifies at the Dubin Inquiry into
the use of drugs in amateur sports. He describes his introduction to
steroids.
http://www.newsworld.cbc.ca/flashback/1989/1989video.html
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What Substances Did Ben Johnson Really Use?
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If Ben Johnson did use injectible Stanozolol, his coach was unaware!
From "Drugstore Athlete," by Malcolm Gladwell. The New Yorker.
(September 10, 2001)
http://www.gladwell.com/2001/2001_08_10_a_drug.htm
"It was this extra training that Francis and his sprinters felt they
needed to reach the top. Angella Taylor was the first to start taking
steroids. Ben Johnson followed in 1981, when he was twenty years old,
beginning with a daily dose of five milligrams of the steroid
Dianabol, in three-week on-and-off cycles. Over time, that protocol
grew more complex.
"...the Canadians stuck to their initial regimen, making only a few
changes: Vitamin B12, a non-steroidal muscle builder called inosine,
and occasional shots of testosterone were added; Dianabol was dropped
in favor of a newer steroid called Furazabol; and L-dopa, which turned
out to cause stiffness, was replaced with the blood-pressure drug
Dixarit."
"Going into the Seoul Olympics, then, Johnson was a walking pharmacy.
But--and this is the great irony of his case--none of the drugs that
were part of his formal pharmaceutical protocol resulted in his failed
drug test. He had already reaped the benefit of the steroids in
intense workouts leading up to the games, and had stopped Furazabol
and testosterone long enough in advance that all traces of both
supplements should have disappeared from his system by the time of his
race--a process he sped up by taking the diuretic Moduret. Human
growth hormone wasn't--and still isn't--detectable by a drug test, and
arginine, ornithine, and Dixarit were legal. Johnson should have been
clean. The most striking (and unintentionally hilarious) moment in
"Speed Trap" comes when Francis describes his bewilderment at being
informed that his star runner had failed a drug test--for the anabolic
steroid stanozolol. "I was floored," Francis writes:
***
"To my knowledge, Ben had never injected stanozolol. He occasionally
used Winstrol, an oral version of the drug, but for no more than a few
days at a time, since it tended to make him stiff. He'd always
discontinued the tablets at least six weeks before a meet, well beyond
the accepted "clearance time." . . . After seven years of using
steroids, Ben knew what he was doing. It was inconceivable to me that
he might take stanozolol on his own and jeopardize the most important
race of his life."
***
"Francis suggests that Johnson's urine sample might have been
deliberately contaminated by a rival, a charge that is less
preposterous than it sounds. Documents from the East German archive
show, for example, that in international competitions security was so
lax that urine samples were sometimes switched, stolen from a "clean"
athlete, or simply "borrowed" from a noncompetitor. "The pure urine
would either be infused by a catheter into the competitor's bladder (a
rather painful procedure) or be held in condoms until it was time to
give a specimen to the drug control lab," Ungerleider writes. (The top
East German sports official Manfred Höppner was once in charge of
urine samples at an international weight-lifting competition. When he
realized that several of his weight lifters would not pass the test,
he broke open the seal of their specimens, poured out the contents,
and, Ungerleider notes, "took a nice long leak of pure urine into
them.") It is also possible that Johnson's test was simply botched.
Two years later, in 1990, track and field's governing body claimed
that Butch Reynolds, the world's four-hundred-metre record holder, had
tested positive for the steroid nandrolone, and suspended him for two
years. It did so despite the fact that half of his urine-sample data
had been misplaced, that the testing equipment had failed during
analysis of the other half of his sample, and that the lab technician
who did the test identified Sample H6 as positive--and Reynolds's
sample was numbered H5. Reynolds lost the prime years of his career."
"We may never know what really happened with Johnson's assay, and
perhaps it doesn't much matter. He was a doper. But clearly this was
something less than a victory for drug enforcement.
***
"Here was a man using human growth hormone, Dixarit, inosine,
testosterone, and Furazabol, and the only substance that the testers
could find in him was stanozolol--which may have been the only illegal
drug that he hadn't used."
***
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From "Steroids and Athletes--An Unhealthy Combination."
http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/ap/seeleyap/endocrine/reading8.mhtml
"Ben Johnson was caught in his tracks by a urine test able to detect
part-per-billion traces of synthetic steroids even weeks after they
are taken. Johnson at first claimed the stanozolol in his urine was
the result of a drink spiked with an approved anti-inflammatory drug
used on his ankle, but a test of his natural testosterone showed it to
be only 15% of normal--a sure sign that this athlete had been taking
steroids for a long time."
==
From "Investigation Into Olympic Drug Conspiracy." After the Games
Message Board.Posted on 4/18/2003
http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:2XReX9d_iycJ:afterthegames.com/talk/%3Fm%3D491%26f%3D0+ben+johnson+and+steroids&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Excerpt:
"Track and field, the central sport of the Olympic Games, has never
recovered from the Johnson affair in 1988.
"The following year the Canadian government set up the Dubin inquiry,
named after Charles Dubin, an associate chief justice of the Ontario
Supreme Court who was in charge of the investigation."
"The evidence of Johnson's coach Charlie Francis and Johnson's doctor
Jamie Astaphan was devastating. They said Johnson had been taking
drugs since 1981, including anabolic steroids, the male sex hormone
testosterone and diuretics, used as masking agents, plus human growth
hormone."
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A proper doping schedule....that failed!
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From "Drugs and the Olympiad." by Stephen Downes. News Trolls.
(September 13, 2000)
http://www.newstrolls.com/news/dev/downes/column000913.htm
"At the 1988 Seoul Olympics Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson ran the 100
meters in 9.79 seconds, a world record, and then famously, had his
medal stripped because he used a banned steroid. Johnson - like most
elite athletes - was on a regular program of steroids and other
supplements, the doctors confident that they could miss the testing
window with a proper doping schedule."
"Johnson's doctors panicked, however, when he suffered a leg injury a
few months before the games. A normal treatment for such an injury - a
treatment designed to speed healing time and reduce incapacititation -
involves an application of steroids. His doctors pushed the window to
the limit, trying to help Johnson recover, and missed."
"It was an international scandal. Johnson was disgraced, the Canadian
government called an enquiry, and condemnation echoed all around. But
missed in all of this is an essential element - Ben Johnson was trying
to recover from a serious leg injury, an injury which not only
jeopardized his chance to win fame and fortune, but also an injury
which caused him considerable pain and suffering."
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From "Yes, Ben Johnson could have been innocent," by Robert Philip.
Sport.Telegraph.co.uk (Filed: 16/09/2001)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2001/09/16/sophil17.xml
Excerpt:
"When Ben Johnson was done for stanozolol, everyone in athletics said
`no, this is not possible'. Why? Because no-one in their right mind
would take stanozolol so close to competition when they could take an
undetectable growth hormone."
"Johnson admitted to taking steroids in the past but said he could not
account for it on that particular day in Seoul in 1988.
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Johnson finally admits his steroid use!
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"Once a World-Class Sprinter, Wade Now in Race to End Doping," by
Christopher Smith. Salt Lake Tribune.(February 7, 2002)
http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:mMibHggFdnYJ:www.sltrib.com/2002/feb/02072002/thursday/174377.htm+ben+johnson+and+steroids&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Excerpt:
"Thirty years ago, Canadian athletes Ben Johnson and Casey Wade were
roommates and teammates, training and competing together as
world-class sprinters."
"Today, Johnson's name is synonymous with the most sensational
drug-related offense in Olympic history. And Wade is managing the most
extensive independent observation program over drug testing in Olympic
history at the 2002 Games."
"While Johnson was stripped of his 100-meters gold medal at the 1988
Seoul Games after testing positive for a banned steroid, Wade became
one of Canada's leading figures in the fight against doping."
"It could have turned out differently.
"Yes, I was given a bottle of steroids while I was on the team and I
held them in my hand," said Wade. "I couldn't tell you at the time why
I didn't take them. It wasn't that I had been told not to. It was more
just values, attitude and the way I was brought up."
"Wade says he was perhaps naive not to have known Johnson was using
anabolic steroids, like many top athletes were in the 1970s and 1980s
when athletic drug testing was largely a charade."
"I did notice when Ben showed up for training, maybe in 1981 or 1982,
that he was a little bigger," said Wade, who works as a director for
the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) in Montreal. "He not only beat me
by three strides in the 50 meters but he smashed my Canadian world
record."
**********
"No athlete of Johnson's prestige had ever been stripped of a medal
for doping before the Seoul Olympics. Although it was only the banned
steroid Stanazolol Furazabol that showed up in Johnson's urine in the
Seoul drug test, he later admitted in court that he had been taking a
pharmocopoeia of prohibited drugs in the two years prior to Seoul. Yet
he passed numerous post-competition drug tests while qualifying for
the Olympics."
*********
"A test was developed that could detect Stanazolol and the two people
in the world who could do it were working at the lab in Seoul and Ben
marched right into it," said Wade.
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From "I'm not the only bad guy." CNN Sports Illustrated. (August 4,
1998)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/athletics/news/1998/08/04/johnson_badguy/
Excerpts;
Johnson, who was banned for life after a second positive test in 1993,
says athletes in all sports use performance-enhancing drugs and that
there has never been a level playing field."
"The whole world was pointing at me saying I was the big, bad guy --
the only guy taking substances," Johnson was quoted as saying in an
interview in Tuesday's Daily Mail. "Now they can't hide from the
truth.
"Now the world has seen that no sport is fair, that there is no level
playing field -- that cyclists are at it, Dennis Mitchell and Randy
Barnes, the East Germans, the Chinese, everybody is at it.
"So Ben Johnson is not the only one who was doing it. And I was never
alone. In 1988 I was never alone. The majority at Seoul were on some
substance."
Johnson, 36, claims he was a scapegoat. The times he clocked -- 9.79
seconds for the 100 meters at the Seoul Olympics and the 9.83 seconds
at the 1987 world championships -- were annulled. The current world
record of 9.84 was set by Canada's Donovan Bailey in 1996.
Johnson said he didn't think he could run under 10 seconds without
drugs. "I would say 10 seconds flat," he said, referring to his
fastest possible time time without the aid of drugs. "If you've never
used anything, just come to it natural, that's about my limit."
At the inquiry into Johnson's disqualification from the Seoul
Olympics, Johnson's coach Charlie Francis estimated drugs gave the
sprinter a two-meter boost in the Olympic final.
"I won by that much. So I would have won anyway," Johnson said.
Johnson admitted taking drugs after the 1988 scandal but claims he did
so at the instigation of his coach and doctor.
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Coach Charlie Francis finally admits wrongdoing!
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From "Francis admits: I wrong to advise Johnson to take steroids."
(February 6 2003)
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/05/1044318673278.html
"Charlie Francis has admitted for the first time that he was wrong to
advise Ben Johnson to take steroids 15 years after one of the worst
scandals in Olympic history.
"Yes it was wrong," Francis told the Toronto Star on Tuesday. "It's
easy to know you're wrong when you've already faced up to the
consequences.But it's wrong either way. It would have been wrong even
if there had not been a positive test in Seoul all those years ago."
"His comments reverse the position he had held since 1989, when
Francis told the Dubin inquiry into drugs in sport that Johnson and
other Canadian track athletes needed performance-enhancing drugs to
compete with rival athletes who were doing the same. As recently as
the 2000 Sydney Olympics, Francis had said: "If anyone is clean, it's
going to be the losers."
"Francis helped Johnson become the fastest man in the world, but the
sprinter was later stripped of his 1988 Olympic gold medal and world
record in the 100 metres after testing positive for the banned steroid
stanozolol."
"Francis said he no longer felt that his actions were justified
because he believed others were cheating. "The fact is it doesn't
matter what anyone else is doing," he said. "It's up to you to make
your own way and be comfortable with what you're doing."
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Coach Francis still implies sabotage in testing of Johnson at Seoul
Olympics!
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From "Rocket Scientist: An interview with Charlie Francis," by Chris
Shugart. Testosteron Magazine.
http://www.t-mag.com/html/body_123rock.html
Excerpt:
Now, at the end of Speed Trap, you provided a number of theories as to
why Ben tested positive for stanozolol in Seoul. Have you come to any
conclusions since then?
CF: We know more now than we did at the time the book was written.
Pure stanozolol was found in Ben's urine. This is not possible.
Stanozolol is the control agent used in all labs. They set up all the
equipment and calibrate it using stanozolol, so they have it there.
Now, in order to have pure stanozolol in the urine sample, it can't
have been conjugated by the body, and the body breaks it down within
45 minutes of administration. Yet pure stanozolol was found in Ben's
urine.
Note: This may be confusing to some readers not familiar with this
case. Ben Johnson, like every other top athlete in his sport, did use
steroids as part of his training. However, he had not taken that
particular drug for some time and was well beyond the accepted
clearance time.
T: So in short, you think it was sabotage.
CF: Absolutely. Sabotage occurring at the lab level. In the time frame
necessary, the drug will break down in the body or in the sample
bottle, and the bottle is sealed. However, if the machine is tampered
with, then anything going into it will be contaminated by what's
already present in the machine controlled at the lab.
Furthermore, when the sample was re-tested three months later, pure
stanozolol was found again. If it had been tampered with at the lab
level, then in order to generate the same results the same method
would have to be used because the sample itself is sealed. When it's
opened, people are watching, so whatever is happening must have
already been done inside the machine.
T: So what were the politics behind the sabotage? Who did this to Ben
in your opinion?
CF: I can't talk about that. It's gets into too much potential libel.
Suffice it to say, that enough things came out after the Games that it
was clear that not only were they after Ben in Seoul, but that an
attempt was orchestrated to get him in Rome. In fact, a dealer was
phoned by a meet organizer to purchase 300 stanozolol tablets in my
name for Ben Johnson. I've never met this guy in my life and I
wouldn't know him if I tripped over him! Ben doesn't know him either.
Clearly, a trail was being established to this particular drug for use
later.
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If you have the time and would like to inquire about more credible
data concerning detection rates, you might try contacting the
following institutions. I did make a phone call to the Canadian Centre
for Ethics in Sport, but after I went through the options menu, I
realized it might be better for you to contact them. You will
undoubtedly have some specific questions once you are on the phone
with them.
The Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport
202-2197 Riverside Drive
Ottawa, Ontario
K1H 7X3
Canada
Telephone +1 (613) 521-3340
Fax +1 (613) 521-3134
E-mail info@cces.ca
http://www.cces.ca/forms/index.cfm?dsp=template&act=view3&template_id=46&lang=e
"The Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport (CCES) is an organization
funded by the federal government working toward prevention of doping
in amateur sport. The CCES maintains a comprehensive approach
involving research, education, advocacy, detection and deterrence of
doping in sport
http://www.tiaft.org/tiaft99/ab_3.html
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UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory
Department of Molecular and Medical Pharmacology
Department of Medicine
University of California
Los Angeles, CA 90025.
Number for the Department of Medicine: 310-825-8611 (directory
assistance had no number for the Laboratory)
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If you have no success at the above institutions, you might try
contacting Dr. Mauro G. Di Pasquale whom I referenced above:
http://www.metabolicdiet.com/maurodipasquale.htm
He has an extensive knowledge of anabolic steroids and the athletic
community and is currently a licensed physician in Ontario, Canada,
specializing in Nutrition and Sports Medicine. I have been unable to
find a phone number for him, but will continue to look and provide it
in a clarification if I have any success.
==
You might also want to read the following book:
"Anabolic Steroid Reference Manual," by William Llewellyn.
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/books/anabolics-2002.htm
"An extensively updated drug profiles section also brings you current
on worldwide product availability, including in-depth coverage of the
new flood of high-dosed veterinary anabolics, plus new and expanded
research pulls you deeper into the science and biochemistry of these
agents than ever before. No other steroid reference book even comes
close!
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I truly hope the information I have provided proves helpful. If I can
provide any futher clarification, please don't hesitate to ask. I will
help in any way that I can!
Sincerely,
umiat-ga
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