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Subject: Children murdered by their parents. Parents Murdered by their children
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Asked by: j10-ga
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Posted: 24 Sep 2003 10:46 PDT
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Journalist-ga  Please give me names and details of the most famous of
these cases in history - plus any links you discover in drama and
film.  I have asked the question in several ways - so you might want
to check the answers in the other categories first.  I don't need
obscure ones, mostly I'm looking for instantly recognizable ones like
the Menendez Brothers, etc.  If there is a link between History in
this area and a theater piece, that would help.  Thanks.

Request for Question Clarification by journalist-ga on 24 Sep 2003 11:35 PDT
Greetings J10:

Let me first express my gratitude for your request of my research. 
You are an admired customer among Researchers as we love your question
topics and I so enjoyed my previous work for you - I also saw many of
the heroines of my youth.  :)  I'll get right on this and report back
soon.

Best regards,
journalist-ga

Clarification of Question by j10-ga on 24 Sep 2003 12:34 PDT
journalist-ga - I feel like Sally Fields on ocscar night.  Looking
forward to your answer.  thanks
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Subject: Re: Children murdered by their parents. Parents Murdered by their children
Answered By: journalist-ga on 25 Sep 2003 11:45 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Greetings "Sally":   :)

I've been at work exclusively on this topic since last night and I
apologize for it taking so long but I wanted to be thorough.  This has
been a most interesting search as I am already familiar with over 70%
of these cases.  As a former psychology major, I had previously delved
into serial murders and such because I am so perplexed and fascinated
as to the "why" of this type of behavior.  Although you requested
"instantly recognizable ones" you may see some that are not that
recognizable to you.  However, I recognized them and then I included a
few other examples I found so that you would have a larger amount of
cases from which to choose.

I've separated them into headings and titles as best as I could for
your ease of view given that this program doesn't enable bold or
italics.

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KILLED BOTH PARENTS

***The Brothers Menendez
On August 20, 1989, Jose and Kitty Menendez were brutally murdered in
their home.  Their sons, Lyle and Erik, were later charged and
convicted of the gruesome crime.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/menendez/index_1.html

***Ronald “Butch” DeFeo, Jr. [the “real” Amityville horror]
On November 14, 1974, Ronald DeFeo, Jr. killed his parents and four
siblings in Amityville, NY.   Later, the book “The Amityville Horror”
was written by people who purchased the house where the murder took
place.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/amityville/1.html?sect=12

***Kip Kinkel
“Kipland Kinkel, 15, had just been expelled from school in
Springfield, Oregon, for carrying a gun to class.  He returned with a
semiautomatic rifle …He killed one student and wounded eight others,
one of whom later died, and he also caused a stampede that resulted in
more injuries…Police officers who went to his home discovered that
he’d killed both of his parents and had booby-trapped the house with
five homemade bombs---one of which he'd placed underneath his mother’s
corpse.  His classmates had once dubbed him the student ‘most likely
to start World War III.’”
From http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/kids1/index_1.html

***Blake Walker
"On July 15, Walker pleaded guilty to killing his parents. He is
expected to be sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of
parole for 25 years. The sentencing of 17-year-old Blake Walker for
killing his parents, scheduled for tomorrow, may bring closure to
some, but others in this small college town say they have to know why
it happened before they can get any peace."
http://peacecorpsonline.org/messages/messages/2629/2015727.html

***Michael Perry
Stalked Olivia Newton-John 
"Michael Perry also fell for the winsome Australian singer's charms
that year. Security consultant Gavin de Becker's people caught him on
his way to her California house and encouraged him to leave the state.
As soon as he got home to Louisiana, he killed his parents, his
cousins and a baby nephew. He's currently on death row."
http://att.eonline.com/Features/Specials/Stalkers/famous.html

PENDING***Peter Billington
"Officials said Billington has been offered life without parole on a
guilty plea in the murders of his father, Nigel, his mother, Geradina,
and his sister, Amanda in their Apison home.  The state is expected to
ask for the death penalty should the case go to trial."
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_40288.asp

***Saeed Al Qashash
"Teenager Saeed Al Qashash, who was found guilty of murdering 12
members of his family including his friend, in June 1998, was executed
on Sunday. Al Qashash shot 11 members of his family: His mother
Thuria, his father Amin, sisters Karimeh, Wafa, Mervit, Insaf, her
husband and their two children. His brothers Mohammed and Mostafa and
victim number 12, his close friend, Atta Shalan."
http://massmurder.zyns.com/saeed_qashash.htm


POPULAR OPINION AND SPECULATION:

***Lizzie Borden
On August 4, 1892, Lizzie Borden allegedly killed her father and
stepmother with an axe.  She was charged with their murders and a
trial was held.  The verdict was “not guilty” yet it is popular
opinion that she did do the dirty deed.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/lizzie/lizziemain.htm

***JonBenet Ramsey
As the mysterious murder of JonBenet Ramsey unfolded, evidence led
many to speculate that her parents were somehow involved in her
murder.  Much speculation arose that JonBenet was killed by one parent
while the other covered for the spouse or that the son did it and the
parents were trying to protect him.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/ramsey/ramseymain.htm

***Alice Crimmins
Alice Crimmins was arrested and charged with the murder of her
children but was not convicted.  “Her son’s badly decomposed body was
found several days after his sister’s body.  Then, within a week of
the funeral, Alice Crimmins, mother of two small dead children,
appeared to simply resume her normal life.  “Normal life,” in this
case included not just doing housekeeping chores and cooking for
herself and her husband - she and Edmund had reconciled - but evenings
at bars and nightclubs where she drank and danced the nights away.”
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/crimmins/3.html?sect=12

***Lindy Chamberlain
Professing that a dingo had taken her baby, Azaria, Lindy was brought
to trial for killing her infant daughter.  She was not convicted.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/not_guilty/chamberlain1/1.html?sect=12

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KILLED ONE PARENT:

***Charles Whitman
Charles Whitman killed his mother and wife before climbing to the top
of the University of Texas clock tower on August 1, 1966, to began
sniping from there with a rifle.  Various sites report different death
totals from the sniping - one example is 12 dead, 34 wounded.
http://massmurder.zyns.com/charles_whitman.htm

***Velma Barfield
Convicted of various deaths including her own mother. “The judge in
the case was Henry McKinnon.  He ruled that the evidence linking Velma
to the deaths of John Henry Lee, Dottie Edwards, and her own mother,
Lillie Bullard, be admitted.”
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/women/velma_barfield/8.html?sect=11

***John List - Killed his wife, three children and mother - see below
in child section

***Jason MacLennan 
"Jason MacLennan was "scared to death" of his father and despised his
family's wealth, which he felt drove his father away, his girlfriend
and other witnesses testified Tuesday.  MacLennan, 18, is on trial for
first-degree murder in the Jan. 14 shooting death of his father,
Kenneth MacLennan, at their St. Cloud home."
http://www.startribune.com/stories/468/4115126.html

***Henry Lee Lucas
"After Lucas served 10 years in prison for the murder of his mother,
he was released on parole  free to kill again. And he did. During
Lucas’ second murder trial, in 1983, he shocked a Texas courtroom when
he not only confessed to killing the elderly Rich, but then announced:
"And I’ve got 100 more out there somewhere."
http://crimemagazine.com/lucas.htm

***Luke Woodham
"After less than four hours of deliberation, a jury in Philadelphia
found Woodham, 17, guilty of murder in the death of his mother. He
will not be eligible for parole until he's at least 65."
http://www.cnn.com/US/9806/05/woodhamverdict.folo/

***Alma Petty
"Murder For Breakfast: The True Story Of Alma Petty And The Preacher
Who Betrayed Her by writer, painter and journalist Phil Link is the
extensively researched and meticulously pieced together true story of
murder and betrayal. Set in the late twenties, it tells of Alma Petty,
a young woman who confesses to Tom Pardue, an evangelist priest, that
she murdered her own father with an ax at the breakfast table; yet
when Pardue tried to bring the story to the authorities, he was
dismissed as a crackpot -- until the murdered man's body was finally
discovered and dug up."
http://midwestbookreview.com/sbw/feb_03.htm

***Jennifer Jeter
"After a 4 day trial in Chesapeake Circuit Court, Jeter, 26, was
convicted in the 1st degree killing of her mother. Jeter faces life in
prison."
http://www.karisable.com/dvcajeters.htm

***Vanessa Robinson
"After deliberating for almost 18 hours, more than three days, the
jury finally reached a verdict: third-degree murder.
Seventeen-year-old Valessa Robinson could have been sentenced to life
in prison but instead received 20 years."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/05/17/48hours/main196699.shtml

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KILLED HIS/HER CHILD/CHILDREN:

***Marilyn Lemak 
“Saying he wanted Marilyn Lemak to ponder her "terrible acts" the rest
of her days, a DuPage County judge Monday sentenced the Naperville
woman to life in prison without the possibility of parole for the 1999
drugging and suffocation of her three children.”
http://www.dadi.org/lemaklif.htm

***Andrea Yates
“According to police, shortly after her husband, Russell Yates, left
for work at the Space Shuttle Program at NASA's Johnson Space Center
on June 20, Andrea Yates methodically drowned her five children in the
bathtub of their home. Police found the bodies of John, 5; Paul, 3;
Luke, 2; and 6-month-old Mary in the master bedroom, covered with a
sheet. The body of 7-year-old Noah was still in the tub, police said. 
 Police said Yates told them that she held Luke under water in the
bathtub, then Paul, John, and Mary. Noah walked in while she was
holding Mary under the water and tried to run away, but Yates said she
caught him, and drowned him too.  When she finished, she called 911
and told police to come to her home, where they found her and the
children's bodies. “
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/yatestrial_verdict.html

***Vera Renczi
”The most bizarre character in this chapter is Bucharest's Vera
Renczi. She differs from most Black Widows because her motive was
jealousy, not profit. Her obsession was not her men's money, but their
devotion. This Hungarian beauty had many suitors and trusted not one
of them. Before she was apprehended, Vera had killed two husbands, a
son and an estimated thirty-two lovers.”
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/widows/5.html?sect=19

***Daisy DeMelker
”In March, 1932, Daisy killed her son. Motives vary, depending upon
the version of the story one reads. Some authors blame Daisy's want of
Cecil's life insurance policy, but the Sunday Times Online (of South
Africa) cites other interesting prospects: "(The son) seems to have
been under the impression that he would come into an inheritance at
the age of 21. Perhaps he was demanding more than (Daisy) could give
him...(But) the most obvious answer is that she simply didn't like
him."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/widows/5.html?sect=19

***Kathleen Folbigg
“Muswellbrook Local Court was told that Kathleen Megan Folbigg, 33,
was heard on listening devices placed by police after one of the
deaths to "rehearse" lines she believed she would later need to give
at a hearing.  According to a police statement tendered to the
Muswellbrook Local Court, near Newcastle, Mrs Kathleen Folbigg's
diaries "indicate that she is responsible for the death of her
children"”
http://www.fathers.ca/kathleen_megan_folbigg1.htm

***Joel Steinberg
Convicted of beating his child, Elizabeth “Lisa” Steinberg, to death. 
His wife, Hedda Nussbaum, was also frequently battered by him.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/lisa_steinberg/1.html?sect=12

***Susan Smith
”Susan Smith released the emergency brake and softly closed the
driver’s side door. Michael and Alex were asleep in the back seat,
strapped into their car seats. As the car drifted into John D. Long
Lake, the headlights were on. The car entered the water slowly and did
not submerge immediately. Instead, it remained on the surface, bobbing
peacefully, while slowly filling with water.”
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/smith/unthinkable_2.html?sect=12

***Frederick Deeming
Killed his four children because “he tired of
them.”http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/history/frederick_deeming/1.html?sect=6>

***Garrett Wilson
“On August 6, 2002, Maryland's Court of Appeals overturned Garrett E.
Wilson's 1999 conviction for the murder of his baby son Garrett
Michael who died in 1987.  The Washington Post reported "Garrett
Michael's death was initially attributed to sudden infant death
syndrome, and Wilson collected more than $150,000 in life insurance.
Police began investigating the child's death after Wilson's former
wife came to them in 1994. Wilson was later charged in the 1981 death
of his first child, Brandi Jean, in Prince George's County."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/garrett_wilson/9.html?sect=12

***Darlie Routier
“In 1997, a court found Darlie Lynn Routier guilty of probably the
worst of human crimes: killing two of her natural children in
cold-blood. Motive is still a mystery, but the prosecution painted her
as a shrewish, materialistic young woman who, sensing her lavish
lifestyle crumbling, slew her two sons Damon and Devon in a mad
attempt to resuscitate her and her husband's personal economy.”
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/women/routier/1.html

***Andras Pandy
“As a result, the indictment against Pandy and his daughter named only
the five victims who had been bound to him by blood or marriage -- his
two former wives and his three children. Of them, not a trace
remained. What's more, his stepdaughter Timea, who had carried his
child and survived his alleged attempt against her life, refused to
testify against him in court. She told authorities that even after
nearly twenty years, she still feared the man. ”
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/andras_pandy/8.html?sect=12

***John List
Killed his wife, three children and mother. “He talked about how List
believed that if he killed his family, he was sending them to heaven,
but he could not kill himself because that meant going to hell.  He
claimed that once he started killing, there was no more control.  Once
he left, he put it behind him and finally reached the point where he
only thought about what he had done on the anniversary of their
deaths.  The trial on five counts of murder in the first degree lasted
seven days.  On April 12, 1990, List was found guilty on all counts. 
He was given life in prison, five consecutive terms.  He would never
be released.”
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/list/1.html?sect=12

***Bob Rowe
"In the morning of Feb. 21, 1978 -- Bob Rowe, a Mill Basin, NY, an
out-of-work Brooklyn lawyer, stood by the bed watching his teenage son
sound asleep, lifted a baseball bat and, with a deliberate blow
smashed his son's head. Jennifer, 8, was worried her brother was
sleeping so late, her father coaxed her into bed with her 12-year-old
brother, Christopher. ''We're going to play a game,'' Rowe told them.
''Close your eyes.'' With swift blows, he used the bat to kill them
both. At 5 PM, Rowe called his wife, Mary, at work, urging her to
hurry home. When she arrived, he told her: ''Stand in the middle of
the room with your eyes closed. The children have a surprise for
you.'' Rowel killed his wife by bashing their head in with the bat. He
was found not guilty by reason of insanity, and after several years in
a mental institution was released."
http://www.karisable.com/dvcacase.htm

***Christian Longo
"Christian Longo tossed his family's belongings and stuffed the bodies
into luggage and pillowcases records say. Shedding a family can be
seen as a way to start over. Christian killed his wife and 3 children
then dumped their bodies into the Pacific, was captured at a beach
resort in Mexico, where he was living in a grass hut."
http://www.karisable.com/dvcacase.htm

***David Camm
"The murders of Kim, Brad and Jill Camm have gripped this small
Indiana town. And as the trial begins, defense attorney Michael
McDaniel knows all eyes are on the courthouse, and on his
client...David Camm was sentenced to 195 years in prison - 65 years
for each of the three murders, with no chance of parole."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/10/48hours/main525143.shtml

PENDING***Vartasha White and Kevin Bennett
"Police have charged the parents of a 4-year-old girl reported missing
in late September with homicide by child abuse.  Vartasha McCollough
White, 23, and Kevin Bennett, 28, were arrested Wednesday. The two
claimed Kynande Bennett disappeared from a Kmart in Whiteville, N.C.,
on Sept. 29."
http://charleston.net/stories/021303/sta_sm312813.shtml

***Marie Noe
"One by one, between 1949 and 1968, each of the 10 children Marie Noe
bore died. One was stillborn, one died at the hospital just after
birth, the others expired at home, just infants, in their cribs, where
Noe said she found them blue, limp or gasping."
http://www.karisable.com/noe.htm

***Anthony John Allen
"Anthony John Allen, 68, from Poole, Dorset, had denied murdering
39-year-old Patricia Allen, and their children, Jonathan and Victoria,
who disappeared in May 1975...Allen was convicted by a unanimous
verdict at Exeter Crown Court after nine hours of deliberations
following a 12-day trial."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2579857.stm

***Elmer Crawford
"On the evening of July 1, 1970, Emler Crawford methodically murdered
his family. He started with his pregnant wife. Stunning her with a
blow from a home made baton, he then attached alligator clips to her
ears and hands and plugged her in to the electricity. He'd even gone
so far as to replace the fuses with heavy duty electrical wire, so
they wouldn't blow. After killing his wife, he murdered his two girls,
Kathryn 12 and Karen 6. Kathryn was struck twice in the head with
savage hammer blows, shattering her skull. Karen, he struck once. For
reasons not known, he also used his electrocution device on Kathryn.
His only son, James was last, who it is believed was disturbed by
noises, had gotten out of bed and started towards his parents room.
James also had his skull fractured by hammer blows and then
electrocuted. Crawford then put his master plan into action."
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~gf61/crawford/book3.htm

***Jean-Claude Romand
"The Adversary, first published in France under the title
L’Adverssaire, is a look into the life of Jean-Claude Romand, who
murdered his wife, children and parents in 1993. The question of “who
done it” is never a question at all; in fact, Romand’s guilt is
acknowledged in the very first sentence."
http://www.curledup.com/adversar.htm

***Robert Bryant
"Nine months ago, the bodies of Robert Bryant, his wife Janet, and
their four children were found inside their McMinnville-area home. 
Bryant told several people that he had come to Oregon to start a new
life after being expelled from the Jehovah's Witness church in
California. Police believe that he murdered his family, then shot
himself."
http://www.koin.com/webnews/2003/20030104_tillamookbodiesh.shtml

***Robert Galloway
"The last multiple-murder in Portland happened in 1983, when Robert
Galloway killed his wife, their four children and the family dog
before turning the gun on himself. Some think he did it because his
business was failing."
http://www.koin.com/webnews/2003/20030104_tillamookbodiesh.shtml

Other examples may be found at http://www.karisable.com/parentmur.htm


ATTEMPTED TO KILL CHILDREN:

***Diane Downs
The subject of the book "Small Sacrifices," Diane Downs was convicted
of attempting to murder her children Christie Downs, 8; Cheryl Ann
Downs, 7; and Danny Downs, 3, by shooting them.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/downs/index_1.html

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KILLED PREGNANT WIFE:

***Michael Fletcher
Convicted of killing his pregnant wife, Leann.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/fletcher/1.html?sect=7

PENDING***Scott Peterson
Currently charged with killing his wife, Laci, and their unborn child
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2003-04-29-oplede_x.htm

***Charles Stuart
"Charles Stuart was probably a sociopath. Only a sociopath could lie
to his wife and everyone he knew the way he did, commit murder, and
play the role of distraught husband almost perfectly. This murder was
literally months, if not years in the planning. He showed no remorse
for the murders of his wife and son. His suicide note only said he did
not have the strength to go on.  Apparently, he wanted the insurance
money to open a restaurant. A few days after his suicide, someone dug
up a commercial the fur store had made. It showed a smiling Charles
Stuart, admiring a model in a fur coat."
http://dpsinfo.com/essays/charlie.html

Other unborn children homicides may be reviewed at
http://www.priestsforlife.org/articles/casesofunborn.htm

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FILM:

***Basic Instinct
It is suggested that Catherine Tramell, the character played by Sharon
Stone, murdered her parents.  It was the theme of one of her fictional
books.

***A Killing in Beverly Hills - Account of the Menendez murders
http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=60527
***Honor Thy Father and Mother: The Menendez Killings
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110056/

***Gladiator
"...his [Marcus Aurelius] power-hungry, jealous son Commodus learns of
the plan, murders Marcus Aurelius, and plans to execute Maximus in
order to secure his claim to the throne."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172495/plotsummary

***Beyond The Clouds
"In the second story the narrator meets a young shopgirl (Sophie
Marceau) in off-season Portofino. She tells him in their first
conversation (done in English) that she murdered her father, stabbed
him twelve times."
http://www.vincentperez.com/btcstory.html

***Idle Hands
"Seventeen year old slacker Anton Tobias wakes up one Halloween
morning to discover that both of his parents have been turned into two
headless Halloween decorations. After speaking to his equally
irresponsible friends, Mick and Pnub, he discovers that his right hand
has a blood-thirsty mind of its own and is hell-bent on wreaking havoc
whether he likes it or not."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138510/plotsummary

***Badlands
"Kit Carruthers, a young garbage collector and his girlfriend Holly
Sargis from Fort Dupree, South Dakota, are on the run after killing
Holly's father who disagreed with their relationship."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069762/plotsummary

***God Told Me To
"The storyline of this movie involves a series of motiveless murders
committed by various New York residents: a sniper shoots people from a
water tower; a father murders his entire family; and a cop (Andy
Kaufman) opens fire during a St. Patrick's Day parade."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075930/plotsummary

***Yesterday
"In an act of devilish boldness he even kidnaps the son of the
investigation team's leader, Seok. Then, in a stakeout, Seok manages
to shoot dead one of the murderer's underlings. Cloaked in the man's
clothes, however, is Seok's son, now dead by the hand of his father."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0326441/plotsummary

***The Shining
"As Jack is being interviewed and told the tale of a caretaker who,
many years ago, flipped and murdered his family, Danny's vision is
filled with torrents of blood and gore. Already a psychic link has
been established with the hotel's past, although Danny tells no one;
thus the family are soon on their way to Colorado."
http://www.film.u-net.com/Movies/Reviews/Shining.html

***Time Out
"In his brilliant new film, Time Out, Laurent Cantet has taken a
tragic and sensational true story and turned it into a profound and
understated work of art. In January 1993 a man called Jean-Claude
Romand killed his wife and children; he also murdered his parents. He
had lied to them all. They thought that he was working for the World
Health Organization in Geneva, in fact, he was living off money stolen
from them and other friends. He murdered his family because the money
had run out.  This, I assume, was the inspiration for Time Out. "
http://www.arts4all.com/newsletter/mfw.asp?mfwid=96

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LINK BETWEEN A THEATER PIECE AND A TRUE CRIME OF ABOVE NATURES:

Menendez: In a true/fiction twist, Erik Menendez had co-authored a
screenplay with a friend, Craig Cignarelli, about the killing of
parents before the murders of his parents were committed.

I was not able to locate a theater piece except for Oedipus regarding
a true crime about these topics.

***Oedipus - Greek Tragedy
He discovers that he killed his own father.
http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/oedipus/summary.html

*****************

I noticed that Pinkfreud was kind enough to answer in my absence while
I was away for a few days and I’m glad she was able to assist you.  If
you require any clarification of the links or information I have
provided, please request it and I will be happy to respond.  :)

Best regards,
journalist-ga

 
SEARCH STRATEGY:

famous murders killed parents
"she murdered her children"
“she murdered her child”
“she murdered her son”
“she murdered her daughter”
“she murdered her family”
"she murdered her father"
"she murdered her mother"
"she murdered her parents"
[I also performed searches with the "he" and "his" in the same areas
as well as using the word "killed" - to save space, I have not listed
all the related terms with the male pronouns.]
killed his pregnant wife
murdered his pregnant wife
movies about killing parents
play theater true murder

I also conducted separate internal searches at Court TV's Crime
Library online using the above terms.  Their website main page is
http://www.crimelibrary.com - I searched the archives of
http://www.crimemagazine.com as well

For film, I internally searched the Internet Movie Database with the
same terms as mentioned above.  Their main page is http://www.imdb.com

Clarification of Answer by journalist-ga on 25 Sep 2003 12:32 PDT
I recalled another movie:

Angel Heart
Starring Mickey Rourke as Harry Angel, there is an instance in the
film where Johnny Favorite discovers he has killed his daughter,
Epiphany.
"Harry Angel is a private investigator. He is hired by a man who calls
himself Louis Cyphre to track down a singer called Johnny Favorite. As
he begins to investigate, all the people he contacts concerning Johnny
are killed in mysterious ways. As he finds out more about himself and
his client he discovers that he is fighting for his very existence and
is forced to deal with the devil himself."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092563/plotsummary

Request for Answer Clarification by j10-ga on 26 Sep 2003 14:18 PDT
journalist-ga.  I find the way the researchers share info a delightful
respit from much of the internacine warfare that seems to plague
academia and public discourse.
A blessing on all your houses.  
Pink's addition on N. Bates deepens the "creep you out" - to the
depths that perhaps links back to all the primitive myths; perhaps
another reason why Norman resonates so deeply.  Again, thanks.
j10-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $70.00
Exactly what I needed. Thank you

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Subject: Re: Children murdered by their parents. Parents Murdered by their children
From: knowledge_seeker-ga on 24 Sep 2003 11:14 PDT
 
Hey J10,

I see you have become quite the regular user of Google Answers and
have posted some very interesting questions. We really appreciate
customers like you!

If I might offer you one suggestion to make your use of Google Answers
a little more efficient --  When you would like to request a specific
researcher, put that researcher's name in the Subject of your
question.

Unfortunately, there is no official or automated means to notify
researchers if a question is directed to them, so researchers must
rely on scanning the subject headings for their own name. Sometimes
researchers miss questions directed to them if it's in the body of the
question instead of the subject.

We also rely on each other to notice such question and alert us, as I
have done for journalist in this case. However, not all researchers
are reachable.

Anyway, that was just a suggestion. :-)

-K~
Subject: Re: Children murdered by their parents. Parents Murdered by their children
From: j10-ga on 24 Sep 2003 11:59 PDT
 
knowledge seeker - thanks for the input--I'm a tech weenie, so all I
can get in that dept. is useful.  Thanks for passing on the question
and any additions/suggestionsyou or others have are more than welcome.
Subject: Re: Children murdered by their parents. Parents Murdered by their children
From: hlabadie-ga on 25 Sep 2003 20:24 PDT
 
The story of John List has been dramatized as "Judgement Day: The John
List Story" and was the basis for an episode of the television crime
drama series Dragnet (2003), starring Ed O'Neil.

hlabadie-ga
Subject: Re: Children murdered by their parents. Parents Murdered by their children
From: hlabadie-ga on 25 Sep 2003 21:31 PDT
 
The radio discussion might have been prompted by the recent incident
in Florida in which Bryan Randall drowned his daughter, attempted to
drown one son, then killed himself and another son by driving his
automobile into the path of an oncoming tractor trailer. A fourth
child survived the crash.

hlabadie-ga
Subject: Re: Children murdered by their parents. Parents Murdered by their children
From: journalist-ga on 25 Sep 2003 21:42 PDT
 
Yowza.  I'm stunned by your generosity and delighted you are pleased. 
I also wish to share with you a resource that Pink PM'd me about
concerning "Psycho":

"Norman kills his mother to make her more manageable, more to his
liking. Notice how the late Mrs. Bates is dressed. Her clothing and
hairstyle are more suited to a fashionable woman at the turn of the
19th century than to a woman of her age when she died. Psycho takes
place in 1960, and Norman murdered his mother about 10 years ago.
Norman is about 30, and assuming that Mrs. Bates was 20 or 30 when she
had Norman, she would be between 40-50 when she died. Even though Mrs.
Bates wasn't young at the time of her death, more than likely a woman
who takes a lover wouldn't dress the way her grandmother would've.
When Norman kills mother and brings her back to life, he makes a
mother for himself who is matronly and asexual."
[From] http://home.earthlink.net/~junepulliam/psycho.htm

Best regards,
journalist-ga
Subject: Re: Children murdered by their parents. Parents Murdered by their children
From: j10-ga on 26 Sep 2003 14:10 PDT
 
Hlabadie-ga Thanks for the additions.  After reading the Greek stories
I keep wondering what the ancestors of these modern child murderers
were like.  I'll bet billions there was an actual murder, accidental
murder or psychic murder some time back.  Your help is greatly
appreciated.  The List addition is spot on. Yasoo (sp?)
Subject: Re: Children murdered by their parents. Parents Murdered by their children
From: journalist-ga on 27 Sep 2003 06:35 PDT
 
J10:

"I find the way the researchers share info a delightful respit from
much of the internacine warfare that seems to plague academia and
public discourse."

I heartily agree.  :)

On a sad side note, I want to relate a horrid and distressing incident
concerning a friend's cat.  The cat had five kittens and all seemed
well until my friend recently discovered the kittens' tiny, lifeless
bodies lined up in a neat row - the mother cat had bitten each one
through the chest/lungs.  My friend has no idea why this happened and
the mother cat is now happily sharing her milk with other kittens in
my friend's cattery.  The cat shows no inclination to harm other
kittens or cats.

My friend sent the kittens for autopsy in hopes of finding some
ailment she couldn't see but the mother cat could sense.  The
autopsies came back clean.  I wanted to share this recent incident as
it may be of some assistance in your research if you happen to be
including other animal examples in your book.

Best regards,
journalist-ga
Subject: Re: Children murdered by their parents. Parents Murdered by their children
From: j10-ga on 05 Oct 2003 21:30 PDT
 
journalist ga .  So sad about your friends kittens.  Altho it appears
to go against evolutionary aims, many researchers believe there is an
adaptive quality to this behavior.  Very hard to understand.  On
another note in Slovokia, women committed infanticide (many more males
than females) soon after the fall of communism.  May have been related
to the profound economic pressures or ???.  Several theories are
proposed.
It's a deeply troubling, and long-standing pracitce.  It appears that
as contraceptive methods became more available in Slovkia for example,
infanticde declined.
Who knows what your friend's cat knew.  
I keep thinking about this.  So many animals - lions, monkey etc.
also.

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