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Subject: Gross Vehicle Weight Ratings and the IRS Definition of "Gross Vehicle Weight"
Category: Business and Money > Accounting
Asked by: blameitontherain-ga
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Posted: 13 Nov 2003 14:36 PST
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Question ID: 275581
For tax purposes, can the term "gross vehicle weight" (IRS Publication
946, p. 48) be computed by adding the weight of optional/upgraded
components to the manufacturer supplied gross vehicle weight rating
(GVWR) that is placed on the inside driver door panel of every car?

For tax purposes, my understanding is that standard manufacturer
supplied GVWRs are typically what is used to determine whether a car
is a passenger vehicle or not.  This is relevant because non-passenger
vehicles can be deducted more rapidly than passenger vehicles when put
in business use.

IRS Publication 946 defines trucks with a gross vehicle weight that
does not exceed 6,000 lbs as passenger vehicles (page 48).  Gross
vehicle weight is defined on the same page to include "any part,
component, or other item physically attached to the automobile or
usually included in the purchase price of an automobile."  To me, this
argues that I should sum the weight of optional/upgraded components
to the vehicle's GVWR in order to compute the vehicle's gross vehicle weight.

The answer I am looking for is not an opinion, but rather a specific
reference to something the IRS has produced addressing the calculation
of "gross vehicle weight."
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Subject: Re: Gross Vehicle Weight Ratings and the IRS Definition of "Gross Vehicle Weight"
Answered By: omnivorous-ga on 14 Nov 2003 12:59 PST
 
Blameitontherain --

This is one case where a Google search is more effective than a site
search using the IRS site alone, as the Google search using the
following terms turns up several articles on this rapidly-changing
topic:
"depreciation" + "gross vehicle weight"

By contrast, using the IRS site -- which is generally excellent --
doesn't get to the core of the definitions needed to answer your
question completely.  That said, once you know what you're looking for
the IRS site can be very helpful.

These depreciation rules have been become increasingly liberal in
interpretation and via regulations, with two major moves this year.
First, you should be aware that 2003 depreciation rules were changed
in early October, 20003 by IRS Rev. Proc. 2003-75. Below is a summary
of the rules changes from an accounting software vendor, PPC.  The
article is particularly helpful in summarizing definitions and
identifying where in the IRS code to find more detailed definitions. 
The impact of this rule change is to allow substantial acceleration of
depreciation for passenger vehicles:

PPCNet.com
"IRS Finally Issues 2003 Depreciation Limits for Luxury Cars" (October, 2003)
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rp-03-75.pdf

The new IRS directive on depreciation rules is here, though it
contains little on the definition of vehicles and gross vehicle
weights:
Internal Revenue Service
"Rev. Proc. 2003-75" (Oct. 21, 2003)
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rp-03-75.pdf

VEHICLE QUALIFICATIONS
-------------------------

The vehicle rules are really at the core of your question and
unfortunately at the core of confusion: there are two sets of vehicle
definitions -- one for depreciation/amortization and a SEPARATE set
for excise taxes.  I won't drag you into the excise tax rules -- just
be careful that in looking at IRS rules you aren't mistaking the rules
in Publication 510 ("Excise Taxes for 2003") for the Publication 946
rules.

As the PPC article above points out, passenger autos are four-wheel
vehicles with an UNLOADED gross weight of 6,000 pounds or less. 
Trucks or vans -- or any vehicle built on a truck/van chassis,
including many SUVs and minivans -- pass the 6,000-pound test based on
their LOADED weight.  The relevant IRS sections are here copied here
in double quotes:

---------------

IRS Sec. 280F(d)(5)(A)
"Passenger Automobile. --
(A)	In general.  -- Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the term
'passenger automobile' means any 4-wheeled vehicle --
(i)	which is manufactured primarily for use on public streets, roads
and highways, and
(ii)	which is rated at 6,000 pounds unloaded gross vehicle weight or less.
In the case of a truck or van, clause (II) shall be applied by
substituting 'gross vehicle weight' for 'unloaded gross vehicle
weight.'"

-----------------

The "subparagraph (B)" section applies to trucks, vans, ambulances and
trade vehicles.   It has been liberalized this year to specifically
include SUVs and minivans by Prop. Reg. 28.4001-1(b)(2)(iii) was in
fact enabled with an effective date of July 7, 2003, ensuring that
SUVs and minivans are included in the definition of a truck/van (as
long as they are built on a truck chassis):

IRS
"Depreciation of Vans and Trucks (Temporary Regulations)" (July 7, 2003)
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-regs/td9069.pdf

Finally, in telephone discussions with IRS agents, they said
businesses should be guided by the instructions in Publication 946. 
There are two ways in which an auto can qualify:
?	a gross vehicle weight in excess of 6,000 pounds at sale.
?	attached components which increase the weight to over 6,000 pounds,
such as a snowplow.

You probably already have Publication 946 as a reference, but it's
available online here:
IRS
"How to Depreciate Property for 2002 Returns"
Publication 946 (page 48)
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p946.pdf

If you use a Google search involving "Prop. Reg. 28.4001" you'll find
several tax advisors with notes on the impact of the change.  (TIP:
when Google pulls up the links, use the "Cached" link -- it will
highlight the relevant phrase in yellow and make it easier to find.)

Google search strategy:
"gross vehicle weight" 
"Rev. Proc. 2003-75"

And this also involved a library search for IRS Sec. 280F to make sure
that we had the definitions for you.

We can't interpret tax laws for you but if any part of this is
unclear, we can try to clarify what's been published.

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA

Request for Answer Clarification by blameitontherain-ga on 17 Nov 2003 20:09 PST
Thank you so much for the information.  It's great.  However, it does
beg a follow-up question re "truck chassis".  How is it defined and
how does a person know if a given vehicle is on a truck or car
chassis?  The gross vehicle weight question hinges on this
distinction.

Clarification of Answer by omnivorous-ga on 18 Nov 2003 09:44 PST
Blameitontherain -- 

Minivans and SUVs qualify if built on the right chassis, so my first
step would be to check with the vehicle manufacturer to ask:
1.  what truck or van currently in production uses the same chassis?
2.  is there a truck or van that recently went out of production using
the same chassis?

I've found no evidence of anyone assembling a list of qualifying and
non-qualifying vehicles (yet!) but a Google search using the following
terms focuses directly on the issue:
"truck chassis" + depreciation

The organization with the most interest in this issue is probably the
National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA) or its sister
organization, American Truck Dealers:
NADA
www.nada.org

American Truck Dealers
http://www.nada.org/Content/NavigationMenu/MemberServices/AmericanTruckDealers/AmericanTruckDealers.htm

I checked both sites to see if there was some news coverage of the
changes in IRS rules but couldn't find anything.  However, I wouldn't
hesitate to call or write either organizations' management as it would
be a valuable service to their dealers if they would provide a list of
vehicles meeting the truck-chassis criteria.

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA

Request for Answer Clarification by blameitontherain-ga on 21 Nov 2003 17:17 PST
Super.  Thank you.  Fact is, I did call manufacturers of the vehicles
I'm interested in and neither classify chassis as "truck" or "car". 
For example, Honda's Pilot is built on the Odyssey chassis and in
Honda's internal ordering system both the Odyssey, Pilot and CRV are
under the category "truck" instead of "car".  That was good enough for
me.

Thanks again for your help.

Happy Holidays,

Peter

Clarification of Answer by omnivorous-ga on 21 Nov 2003 18:09 PST
Peter --

Great!  Glad to hear that it worked.

Best regards,

Omnivorous-GA
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