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Subject: Evaporating Snow Fluid Recipe
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: magicadam1-ga
List Price: $60.00
Posted: 04 Feb 2004 09:55 PST
Expires: 04 Feb 2004 16:25 PST
Question ID: 303533
Hello!

I am looking for the formula of Evaporating Snow Fluid used in
theatrical snow machines and foam machines.  

These are the SNOW MACHINES currently sold by CITC, Snowmasters,
Chauvet, Antari, and TEI.

I have a basic idea of the chemicals involved, after visitng the
MousePlanet.com Disneyland tribute site.
(www.mouseplanet.com/kkrock/dockrock-6.htm) He made an educated guess
as to the formulation of the Dissolving Snow Fluid, but does not have
a specific formula.

I need information on the specific formula so I can be able to create the
dissolving, non-toxic, non staining Snow fluid myself, or have a lab
create this product for me.

I have hit a wall here, and need some help.  Some websites I've
already found useful are, CITCFX.com, Snowmasters.com, Foammasters.cc,
RJNworld.com.

I have also discovered that the surficant used in this formula is COSMETIC GRADE.

Hopefully I have given you enough information to get started, and look
forward to your answer.  This is a very exciting service, and I really
hope it works out for me... I will be using it a lot.

Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 04 Feb 2004 14:42 PST
Are you looking to sell this product?  If so, I have two contacts that
could make it for you and brand it under your label.

Thanks,

jbf777
Researcher

Clarification of Question by magicadam1-ga on 04 Feb 2004 15:31 PST
I am looking to use large quanities of this product, and possibly re-sell it.

I would be interested in research on those companies, as long as they
were not rjnword.com (Southern Research Group), or any of the
companies I have listed in the original product.  I have already done
a lot of research on them.

I really am interested in learning more about the chemical makeup of
this product, but if you have a labs that already make the product, it
could help me get to where I am going.

Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 04 Feb 2004 16:17 PST
Well, one of them (besides RJNWorld) does do private labeling, and
that was indeed one of the companies -- don't know if you knew one of
them did that.

Perhaps another researcher has some other ideas, but the only
foreseeable way that I can see of obtaining a specific formulation for
this kind of product is by having a company custom make it or by
paying a consultant-type individual to formulate it.  Either way, it's
going to cost money unless someone knows an insider.  Even then, these
formulations are money, and they're not normally floating around for
anyone to grab.  It is my feeling that this kind of thing falls within
the same sort of category as a Coca Cola formula.  Coca Cola has no
patent on their product, because they don't want easy rip-offs.

Have you checked out the US Patent and Trademark Office?  I've
searched through a number of the patents and haven't found one for a
liquid-based snow.  That would traditionally be a great source to find
something like this.  I'm informed from a rep of a company that
supplies Disney that the product is 98% water and 2% surfactants
(basic foaming agents).  But that 2% is key to insuring proper
evaporative qualities.

At this point, I could find companies consultants that most likely
aren't already making it, but would be able to.  They could take an
existing product and do some analysis on it and come up with a custom
formulation.  But we're talking hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

Please let me know how I or another researcher can be of assistance.

jbf

Request for Question Clarification by jbf777-ga on 04 Feb 2004 16:20 PST
That should read: At this point, I could find companies/consultants
that most likely aren't already making it, but would be able to either
create a formula for it or formulate and create it.

Clarification of Question by magicadam1-ga on 04 Feb 2004 16:24 PST
Thanks for your help.  I was really looking to get more info than I
already had - but appreciate your work.
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