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Subject:
UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT LOSS AT MOMENT OF DEATH
Category: Science > Instruments and Methods Asked by: mcisencraft-ga List Price: $3.00 |
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08 May 2004 20:39 PDT
Expires: 13 May 2004 19:49 PDT Question ID: 343392 |
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Re: UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT LOSS AT MOMENT OF DEATH
From: ulu-ga on 08 May 2004 23:01 PDT |
Short Answer: No. One of the problems even trying to measure it, as mentioned in the following, is determining the "moment of death". That is much more of a poetic phrase than a precise scientific term. I did not find any reference to an experiment being performed in France, but it does sound like Dr. MacDougall of Massachusetts experiment. Is there lightness after death? http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1150835,00.html ... "I've been dealing with death for 45 years and I can say with some confidence there's nothing in it," says Robert Stern, a pathologist at the University of California, San Francisco. ... The origin of the 21g figure can be traced to Duncan MacDougall, a doctor working in Haverhill, Massachusetts in the early 1900s. MacDougall had a keen fascination with death and spent part of his career on an almost obsessive hunt for evidence of the soul. He thought that if humans had a soul, it must exist in the body as some kind of material. And that material must weigh something. ... At the end of his foray into science, MacDougall declared that humans lost up to three-fourths of an ounce upon death, a figure that doesn't have quite the same ring as 21g, the metric equivalent. The dogs, he said, lost nothing. What else might it be if not the weight of the soul departing, he asked. ... For a more detailed description: Soul Man http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp ... It would take a great deal of credulity to conclude that MacDougall's experiments demonstrated anything about post-mortem weight loss, much less the quantifiable existence of the human soul. For one thing, his results were far from consistent, varying widely across his half-dozen test cases: ... So, out of six tests, two had to be discarded, one showed an immediate drop in weight (and nothing more), two showed an immediate drop in weight which increased with the passage of time, and one showed an immediate drop in weight which reversed itself but later recurred. And even these results cannot be accepted at face value as the potential for experimental error was extremely high, especially since MacDougall and his colleagues often had difficulty in determining the precise moment of death, one of the key factors in their experiments. (MacDougall later attempted to explain away the timing discrepancies by concluding that "the soul's weight is removed from the body virtually at the instant of last breath, though in persons of sluggish temperament it may remain in the body for a full minute.") Text of the published experiment: http://www.ghostweb.com/soul.html American Medicine April, 1907 Hypothesis Concerning Soul Substance Together with Experimental Evidence of The Existence of Such Substance by Duncan MacDougall, M.D. of Haverhill, Mass. Related material: 'Soul Trial' decided funding for afterlife search http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0224didyouknow24.html Scientific Inquiry into OBE http://mywebpages.comcast.net/patmccallum/science.htm (long list of studies going back to 1834) |
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SHEEP PORTION OF QUESTION ANSWERED HERE. WILL STILL PAY FOR BELOW
From: mcisencraft-ga on 11 May 2004 17:29 PDT |
Unexplained Weight Gain Transients at the Moment of Death Lewis E. Hollander, Jr., P.O. Box 100, Redmond, OR 97756 Below is Half my answer. I will still pay if Google will answer the other part of the question about human weight loss being more or less than a dime. Death of course is defined as the stopping of breathing not brain wave activity. Thanks M. Twelve animals (one ram, seven ewes, three lambs and one goat) were studied. At the moment of death an unexplained weight gain transient of 18 to 780 grams for 1 to 6 seconds was observed with seven adult sheep but not with the lambs or goat. The transients occurred in a quiet time at the moment of death when all breathing and movement had ceased. These transient gains are anomalous in that there is no compensating weight loss as required by Newton's Third Law. There was no permanent weight change at death. Dynamic weight measurements may present a fruitful area of investigation. |
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Re: UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT LOSS AT MOMENT OF DEATH
From: cynthia-ga on 12 May 2004 01:09 PDT |
mcisencraft, The current weight of a single Dime is 2.27 grams. Dimes http://www.cmf5.com/headtails/dimes1.htm 1796 to 1853 - 2.7 grams 1953 to 1964 - 2.5 grams 1965 to present - 2.27 grams |
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Thankyou to ulu and cynthia
From: mcisencraft-ga on 12 May 2004 15:41 PDT |
Your comments have really helped on this one. However it doesnt look like I am going to get a good up to date answer on the measured weight loss in a human. I know its a tough one. Does it effect either of you if I cancel this question or should I just let it stay. Thank you both again, McIsencraft |
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Re: UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT LOSS AT MOMENT OF DEATH
From: cynthia-ga on 12 May 2004 15:55 PDT |
mcisencraft, Your original question: ..."MY QUESTION IS THE AMOUNT OF WEIGHT LOSS IN A HUMAN IS IT CURRENTLY MORE OR LESS THAN THE WEIGHT OF A DIME? ..." ...has been answered. The current weight of a dime is far less than the [reported] 'weight lost at the moment of death.' Additional questions that go beyond the scope of your original query, become a "new question." You addressed your question to bobbie7, which makes it unlikely that anyone else will post an official Answer. There is little else that bobbie7 could add to the information already given to you for free, so it is unlikely she will post. In my opinion, it won't affect anyone if you close the question. ~~Cynthia |
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I will pay if one of you wants to post an answer in the next few days.
From: mcisencraft-ga on 12 May 2004 18:53 PDT |
When I read "Short answer no" to first reply I didn't go much further. After re-sifting the comments indeed the answer can be gleaned. Just to try to "do right" I will wait a few days. If she wants to post anykind of answer I will go ahead and authorize payment. If not I will close it. Thankyou both again. M.I. |
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Re: UNEXPLAINED WEIGHT LOSS AT MOMENT OF DEATH
From: bobbie7-ga on 13 May 2004 07:40 PDT |
Dear Mcisencraft, Thank you for asking me to answer your question. It seems that your question has already been answered in the comment box. Since ulu-ga is not a Google Researcher I suggest that you request that cynthia-ga post the official answer to your question and get the fee. Sincerely, Bobbie7 |
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