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Subject: MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AND STATINS
Category: Health > Conditions and Diseases
Asked by: yesmam-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 17 May 2004 19:32 PDT
Expires: 16 Jun 2004 19:32 PDT
Question ID: 347968
There is a lot of news lately about Statins having a beneficial effect
on MS. I've been using Gugalipids and Beta Sitosterol for a couple of
years because my cholesterol came near 200. The cholesterol came down
to 146 and my MS has been very stable even though I am classified as
"progressive."
Are these supplements doing the work of Statins stabilizing my multiple sclerosis.
I love You Googling Geniuses.
Thanks in anticipation of your help.
Yesmam
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Subject: Re: MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AND STATINS
Answered By: crabcakes-ga on 19 May 2004 00:10 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hello Yesmam, 

  I'm sorry to learn that you suffer so from MS. I have a friend who
has MS, and know first hand how it can affect you. I hope you stay out
of the heat this summer!

You are on certainly top of the medical news these days! Just last
week, a group of researchers from the Medical University of South
Carolina released results of  the first clinical trial study showing
statins may soon hold some promise for MS patients.

?A group of 30 patients with MS were given 80 mg a day of Merck & Co
Inc's Zocor, or simvastatin, and had a 44-percent reduction in brain
lesions after three months of treatment, the study showed.
Brain lesions are markers of the progression and severity of MS, a
debilitating disease in which nerve cells lose their insulating
sheath, leading to muscle weakness, fatigue, bladder problems and
impaired vision.
Since existing MS treatments, such as interferon, are expensive, must
be injected and are only partially effective, swapping to statin
pills--already taken by millions of people every day--would offer
clear advantages.
But Professor Chris Polman, an MS expert at the VU Medical Center in
Amsterdam, said more research is needed, including a large
placebo-controlled clinical trial. The first of these trials is about
to commence and could take around two years.
"It's a very good start but it's not conclusive," Polman said in a
telephone interview, adding it was possible some brain lesions may
have disappeared spontaneously, given the relapsing-remitting nature
of the disease.?
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_17739.html

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/index.php?newsid=8307

http://finance.lycos.com/qc/news/story.aspx?symbols=NASDAQ:BIIB&story=200405132301_RTR_L13419532


?Scott Zamvil of the University of California, San Francisco, and his
team tested a drug called atorvastatin - which has the brand name
Lipitor - on three different mouse versions of the disease.
The results were "overwhelming", says Zamvil. A week's treatment
equivalent to the highest human dose reversed or prevented relapses
and curbed brain inflammation. The group hopes to start clinical
trials in humans early next year.
The drug has few side-effects and is taken by mouth. It is an
attractive candidate for desperately needed therapies, says
multiple-sclerosis researcher Hartmut Wekerle of the Max-Planck
Institute of Neurobiology near Munich, Germany. Current drugs require
repeated injections.?

http://www.nature.com/nsu/021104/021104-10.html

Statins:
Some commonly prescribed statins; Brand name, generic name, and manufacturer: 
·Lipitor (atorvastatin) - Pfizer 
·Zocor (simvastatin) - Merck
·Pravachol (pravastatin) - Bristol-Myers Squibb
·Lescol (fluvastatin) - Novartis
·Mevacor (lovastatin) - Merck

Statins  work by blocking an enzyme in the liver that is needed to
make cholesterol, and are intended to lower LDL, the?bad cholesterol?.
Statins do seem to have other uses such as lowering blood pressure and
a now possibly a beneficial connection with MS.
http://www.healthandage.com/Home/gid2=2415


?Most people who take a statin have no side-effects, or only minor
ones. Read the information leaflet which comes with your particular
brand for a full list of possible side-effects. These include:
headache, pins and needles, abdominal pain, bloating, diarrhoea,
feeling sick, and a rash.

You should tell your doctor if you have any unexpected muscle pains,
tenderness or weakness. This is because a rare side-effect of statins
is a severe form of muscle inflammation.?
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/index.php?newsid=8274

According to BUPA, a global healthcare organization:  Do not take any
other medicines or herbal remedies with a statin, including those you
have bought without a prescription, before talking to your doctor or
pharmacist.
·Some antidepressants, antibiotics, antifungals, antivirals,
immunosuppressants and other lipid-lowering drugs increase the risk of
serious muscle problems with the statins.
·Grapefruit juice increases the levels of simvastatin in the body.
Discuss this with your doctor or pharmacist if you regularly drink
grapefruit juice.
·Some antibiotics interact with certain statins to increase or reduce,
the normal metabolism (breakdown) of the statin.
·The anticlotting effect of warfarin is increased by simvastatin
http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/html/medicine/statins.html#2


Beta-sitosterol:

Whole Heath MD, a site that was linked to from Dr. Andrew Weil?s site
http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.html-command=TodayQA-questionId=17875

?Beta-sitosterol may also lower elevated cholesterol in some cases, a
function of its apparent ability to block the absorption of
cholesterol throughout the body. However, relatively high daily doses
are typically needed for this effect, so if you're taking the lower,
standard daily amount of beta-sitosterol for BPH (125 to 250 mg
daily), don't expect results for your cholesterol too. Consult your
doctor for guidance about taking beta-sitosterol for high
cholesterol.? And ?While each new study on beta-sitosterol for BPH
provides important insights, much remains to be learned about how safe
and effective beta-sitosterol is over the long-term.?
Beta-sitosterol?s primary use is for BPH, benign prostatic
hypertrophy, and a lesser use is for lowering cholesterol.
http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/0,1525,972,00.html

Your diet can supply you with plenty of  beta-sitosterol, especially
if you like avocados and pistachio nuts!:
http://www.nutritiondata.com/foods-000077000000000000000.html


Guggulipids:

According to Sangsters, a Canadian Health Food store:
?Guggulipids are a standardized extract of the plant Commiphora Mukul
and have been used in India for over 2,000 years. It has been shown
over a 12 to 14 week period that Guggulipids can lower blood
cholesterol by 14 to 27 percent and triglyceride levels of LDL (bad
cholesterol) by 22 to 30 percent, while increasing HDL (good
cholesterol) levels by approximately 16%.?
http://www.sangsters.com/showpamph.php3?pamphid=64


This BioMedCentral abstract says ?More than 100 million people in the
United States report using nutritional supplements. Most people are
under the impression that nutritional supplements offer health
benefits and are closely regulated to ensure safety and efficacy.
-Unfortunately, the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of
1994 allows for the promotion of nutritional -supplements without
review by the United States Food and Drug Administration; therefore,
it is important to evaluate the efficacy and safety of these
supplements. There is strong scientific evidence supporting the use of
plant sterolsstanols, omega-3 fatty acids, niacin, folate, vitamin
B6/B12, and tree nuts. There is potential evidence for the health
benefits of soy protein, tea extracts, policosanol, guggulipids,
coenzyme Q10, and L-arginine. There has been a lack of evidence for
the health benefits of garlic and antioxidants.?
Michael H Davidson MD and Chris T Geohas MD
Department of Preventive Cardiology, 1725 West Harrison Street Suite
1159, Rush-Presbyterian-St Luke's Medical Center, Chicago, IL, 60612,
USA
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1523-3804/5/15/abstract



 Now, do guggulipids and beta-sitosterol act as statins? No.Not
chemically. And yes. Yes as effective cholesterol-lowering agents.
Each works towards the same goal, but in different ways. They DO act
to lower blood pressure, and they MAY help alleviate MS symptoms, but
in a different, and little studied way. Your fatty acid supplements
and statins lower cholesterol in distinct ways, and this distinction
is why guggulipids and beta-sitosterol  have little KNOWN bearing on
MS.  Statins block an enzyme that allows the liver to manufacture
cholesterol. Guggulipids and beta-sitosterol are incorporated into
cell membrane production. Without these, and other essential fatty
acids, the cell membranes would utilize saturated fats as cell
building blocks, causing the cell to be more rigid. (The nice
essential fatty acids allow cells to be more elastic, letting the
heart more easily return to a resting state.) You may find that taking
the guggulipids and beta-sitosterol  supplements simply makes you feel
better however.

I did find this article  that shows some benefit to fatty acids and MS:
?Sterols (Sitosterol) and Sterolins (Sitosterolin)
There are many chemical constituents (termed phytochemicals) found in
plant medicines that have beneficial pharmacological effects in
humans. Some bioactive phytochemicals include tannins, resins,
polysaccharides, saponins, glycosides, and volatile oils among others.
Recent literature has reported that two of these phytochemicals,
sterols and sterolins (plant "fats"), occur naturally in fruits,
vegetables, seeds, and nuts, and have clinically beneficial effects in
human subjects in many conditions.
Sterol is found in all plant-based foods, and sterolin is a glucoside
moiety joined to the sterol chemical structure. Both sterols and
sterolins were identified as early as 1922. In the natural state,
these plant "fats" are bound to the fibers of the plant, making the
sterols and sterolins difficult to be absorbed during the normal
transit of digested food through our gut. Seeds are the richest source
of the sterols and sterolins, but are usually removed during
processing by the food industry.
Plant sterols and sterolins have been reported to be effective
adjunctive agents in the management and treatment of disease states
such as high cholesterol levels, benign prostatic hyperplasia,
pulmonary tuberculosis, stress-induced immune suppression, and HIV
among others.Some of the most promising uses of these plant "fats" is
in the management of autoimmune disorders such as lupus, multiple
sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, and myasthenia gravis. Of note is
that the sterols should be combined with sterolin in order to be an
effective agent for the immune system.
Sterols and sterolins have been reported to modulate the function of
T-cells, significantly enhancing the proliferation of the CD-4 TH-1
cells and increasing the production of the interleukin 2 (IL2) and
gamma-interferon (FN-g and IFN-y) These results indicate that sterols
and sterolins are adaptogenic in that they modulate the immune and
stress response.?

http://content.nhiondemand.com/dse/consumer/HC3.asp?objID=100630&cType=hc
http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/substances_view/1,1525,992,00.html

Today, doctors would like your cholesterol to be below 200mg/dl,
ideally with an HDL(good cholesterol) of 60 or greater. Back when I
was in college, we learned that an ideal cholesterol was below
250mg/dl. If I remember correctly, it was around 1983-1985 that a
healthier value was determined to be 200mg/dl or less.
http://health.allrefer.com/health/cholesterol-test-values.html
If you?d really like to delve into fatty acids, visit this link:
http://medlib.med.utah.edu/NetBiochem/FattyAcids/outline.html

Hope this was helpful to you, yesmam! I'm wondering, were you
attracted to gugglelipids because of the similarity of the name to
your beloved Google? :-)

If you have any furhter questions regarding this answer, please click
on the Answer Clarification button, and I will be happy to respond!

Sincerely,
crabcakes

Search terms
MS statins
guggulipids
guggulipids MS
beta-sitosterol MS
beta-sitosterol

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 19 May 2004 00:12 PDT
Yesmam, the late hour has made my fingers more fumbled than usual!

Of course I meant to say "You are certainly on top of the medical news
these days!" and not that gobbledy-gook I typed!

Regards,
crabcakes

Request for Answer Clarification by yesmam-ga on 19 May 2004 09:34 PDT
Crabcakes, this is a very thorough answer. What exactly needed clarification?

Yesmam

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 19 May 2004 09:46 PDT
Thank you yesmam, for the stars and the nice tip! Glad I could help.
Most MS patients are affected by the heat, so keep that air
conditioning way down if you are bothered by excessive heat!
Sincerely,
crabcakes
yesmam-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $5.00
No, I didn't get the name for Gugalipids from Google, but did plenty
of reading on it though. I am addicted to Google. (As if that were not
obvious. Aren't all of us "addicted?)
I am going to cut and paste your response to the AOL BB that I
participate in. If you're ever over there, my screen name is
"SummerCampBuddie." There's a name in "storage," that is
"JazzyPushyLawyer," but I haven't used it yet.

Thanks again for your first rate work and best of luck to your friend
with MS. Here in the northeast, they are predicting a brutal summer.
HELLO BIG electric bills.
Great work!
Yesmam

Comments  
Subject: Re: MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AND STATINS
From: probonopublico-ga on 17 May 2004 21:54 PDT
 
I know nothing about MS but I used to have high Cholesterol (but
nowhere near as high as yours) and I managed to get it down to an
acceptable level, mainly by diet.

I cut out dairy products, salt etc. and I now use Benecol spreads and
Yoghurts which supposedly contain some magic ingredient that lowers
Cholesterol.

Are you being careful with your diet?

Bryan
Subject: Re: MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AND STATINS
From: yesmam-ga on 18 May 2004 19:30 PDT
 
Bryan wrote: Are you being careful with your diet?

Yes, I am very careful with my diet to keep my weight down, my blood
pressure normal and the cholesterol normal. Plus, age related Diabetes
runs in my family. In the event that a magical MS drug comes along and
it stipulates that you need to be normal wieght, with good general
health, I don't want to miss out on it.

There is a drug called Novantrone for serious MS, but at 51, I already
cannot take chances with my heart, because there is a risk of heart
damage with Novantrone. I fight my MS like a soldier. I can no longer
walk, and am confined to a wheelchair. At times, I have lost the use
of my dominant arm for a couple of weeks and have gone blind when MS
attacked the optic nerve, but got back my vision after extremely high
doses of steroids. (1,000 mgs a day given by IV. Yes, it makes you
pretty wired!)

I have an Internet friend who is losing his hands and arms, and many
people don't realize that MS can be an extremely serious disease. It
can cause death by attacking the autonomic nervous system and the
heart and lungs stop.
I have met people who have lost their ability to speak. Plus people
with horrid cognitive damage.I suffered from a recent bout of horrid
emotional volatility from MS. (When I told that women off for being
dressed like a prostitute. It was MS my doctor told me and medicated
me. Thanks God.)

There are people in the thirties who are confined to bed with no use
of any of their limbs and with complete bowel and bladder
incontinence. They have in dwelling catheters and wear diapers because
they have lost control of their bowel. Does MS suck or what?

I drive a car with hand controls and my grueling nerve pain from MS is
kept under control with Methadone.  But, having a roof over my head, a
car with hand controls and an active mind, I feel like Lou Gherig-The
Luckiest Person in the world. Yeah, really. If I could give you a 1/10
of my joy, you'd be flying. I wish I could.

My doctor wants me to become a therapist, but sometimes, I think that
it's the Healthy who need my help. Oh, the clichés are true about
chronic and terminal disease, but I hope that you don't have to become
ill to experience what I have. My love of life is bursting and reaches
the Heavens

Read Richard Cohen's book. Chronic disease is a great instructor.
Sometimes, I feel sorry for able bodied people because they are often
clueless about how lucky they are. Not all of them, but many able
bodied people are so unhappy. What a shame!

Sorry for the long essay, but MS is serious, and I'd love to see more
people participate in our Bike and Walks to raise money for research.
If you can, please encourage your friends and family to help us.

Thanks for reading this.
Yesmam
Subject: Re: MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AND STATINS
From: probonopublico-ga on 18 May 2004 21:46 PDT
 
Hi, Again, Yesmam

I really appreciated the insights that you have given me and I shall
share these with others.

I had expected that you would be up-to-speed on all the healthy-type
things that folks ought to do and I am delighted that you are.

Good Luck with your Question about Statins.

I shall now give it a plug.

All the Best

Bryan
Subject: Re: MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AND STATINS
From: yesmam-ga on 19 May 2004 09:44 PDT
 
Bryan-Thanks so much for your interest and concern.

Yesmam

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