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Subject:
Titanic distress calls still audible today?
Category: Science > Technology Asked by: kingo57-ga List Price: $50.00 |
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05 Jul 2004 10:19 PDT
Expires: 04 Aug 2004 10:19 PDT Question ID: 369915 |
Is it true that the distress signals sent from the Titanic in 1912 would still be audible today? I understand that the high frequency radio waves used on the Titanic would use propogation through the ionosphere to bounce around the atmosphere, but wouldn't the signals from 90+ years ago be completely degraded or absorped by now? If this is true, how can it be proved? | |
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Re: Titanic distress calls still audible today?
From: corwin02-ga on 05 Jul 2004 12:54 PDT |
The short answer is NO , it is a common misconception that radio signals keep bouncing of the heaviside layer for ever , the only thing the heaviside layer does is propagate a radio signal to about 9 times optical , the only theoretical way you would be able to pick up the distess calls from that long ago is flying out of the solar system at more then the speed of light to go approximately 90 years in the past and thus overtake the radio signals send out then because they do propagate through space indefinately (which makes you think that no alien race would ever want to contact us if they see some of our tv shows or hear some of our radio broadcasts) |
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Re: Titanic distress calls still audible today?
From: kingo57-ga on 06 Jul 2004 01:44 PDT |
Thanks Corwin02. Can you just clarify... what do you mean when you say 9-times optical? Is that an increase in the size/range of the signal? Does the signal bounce back off the earth at all (even if only for a very short time)? If not, is that because of scattering/absorption of the signal? |
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Re: Titanic distress calls still audible today?
From: corwin02-ga on 06 Jul 2004 10:23 PDT |
VHF Signals basically need line of sight to operate as in if there is a mountain range between you and your target chances are slim the target will hear you assuming a +30Mhz signal and about 40Kw of power a VHF radio will get about 30Km or range on a flat surface , however by bouncing of the Heaviside layer the signal can reach up to 270 Km and even bounce over mountain ranges hence the term optical as in line of sight (although 30 Km would stretch even the best binoculars) 30 km = about 18.6 miles 270 Km = about 167.7 miles |
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Re: Titanic distress calls still audible today?
From: neilzero-ga on 07 Jul 2004 07:20 PDT |
Nine times is a rule of thumb; often the range is less, rarely more. Signals that bounce off the heaviside layer repeatedly circle the Earth about 6 times per second, So you can see billions of trips would have occured since 1912. Sometimes the heaviside layer behaves like a magnifing mirror, but most of the time, it just reflects (rather poorly) without concentrating the signal, so the signal strength decreases as the square of the distance, both circling the Earth and traveling into space. Since 1912 the distance is about 92 light years, so by now the signal is extremely weak, compared to 2004 best radio telescope technology. We can't settle your argument, as most all the signals ever produced still exist, but they are spread extremely thin, such that they can not be detected with 2004 technology, not even the ones seconds old instead of years old, with rare exceptions. Neil |
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