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Subject:
Poison in the classroom
Category: Science Asked by: arsenic-ga List Price: $3.00 |
Posted:
24 Jul 2004 17:39 PDT
Expires: 23 Aug 2004 17:39 PDT Question ID: 378655 |
You've probably all learned about genetics in school; and probably tasted those small strips of PTC-paper that tasted bitter, or nothing at all. But did you ever read up on PTC? This is the MSDS for phenylthiocarbamide (phenylthiourea); it is twice as poisonous as Sodium Cyanide in rats: http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/PH/phenylthiourea.html http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/SO/sodium_cyanide.html Then to the question: Can someone find a recipe for PTC-paper, or find the concentration of PTC on regular PTC-paper? Are there any MSDS oout there specificallly for PTC-paper? Thanks:-) |
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Re: Poison in the classroom
From: terekkincaid-ga on 24 Jul 2004 21:03 PDT |
Well, looking at that page, the LD50 is 3mg/kg. I'm a little off on my average weights, but say a kid was around 100 pounds, or 45 kgs. That means it would take 135 mg of phenylthiourea to have a 50% chance of killing them. I'm sure you're not going to get that much by touching your tongue to the paper for a second. Plus, MSDS sheets have a habit of being a little overcautious; ever read the one for salt (sodium chloride)? They're mostly CYA for the manufacturers so when some retard decides to stuff his face with lye they can't get sued. |
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Re: Poison in the classroom
From: terekkincaid-ga on 24 Jul 2004 21:05 PDT |
Oh, and on further inspection, PTC paper is made of phenylthiocarbamide, not phenylthiourea, so it's a moot point. |
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Re: Poison in the classroom
From: terekkincaid-ga on 24 Jul 2004 21:07 PDT |
*Sigh* And on further inspection, they're the same thing. Guess I should read your post more carefully next time ;) Anyhow, probably not toxic or they wouldn't use it in studies. |
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Re: Poison in the classroom
From: touf-ga on 26 Jul 2004 14:00 PDT |
Your last comment made me use a lot of credibility in you trek...that's like saying... lead's probably not toxic, or they wouldn't use it in paint/gasoline asbestos is probably not harmful, or they wouldn't use it as insulation cigarettes probable aren't harmful, or they wouldn't be selling them everywhere... about ptc, i have no clue. but I do remember taking the test, and well, I'm not dead yet. |
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Re: Poison in the classroom
From: flwaterbug-ga on 03 Aug 2004 09:53 PDT |
According to this website, a person would have to taste about 5000 test strips to hit the LD50. http://www.sciencelab.com/laboratory-equipment/PTC_Paper.html "Ability to taste PTC is a hereditary trait. (The taste of PTC varies with the individual.) PTC paper which is often used when discussing heredity in biology classes, is paper soaked with phenol thiocarbamide (PTC). The LD50 for PTC is 3.4 mg/kg. Such a low LD50 reveals that PTC is a very hazardous substance. The solution to make the taste test paper contains approximately 500 mg of PTC per liter of water. Through some very crude arithmetic, we calculate that each strip of PTC paper would contain approximately 0.3 mg of PTC. We estimate that a student weighing about 50 kg would have to lick (That is how the test is performed) and ingest about 5002 x 1/4" strips of PTC paper to reach the LD50. You will have to judge if you wish to use this taste test paper." |
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