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Subject: Preventing permanent damage from SSRIs
Category: Health > Medicine
Asked by: rob1978-ga
List Price: $30.00
Posted: 30 Sep 2004 23:22 PDT
Expires: 30 Oct 2004 23:22 PDT
Question ID: 408760
I have been taking Luvox (fluvoxamine - a cousin of prozac) for about
9 years.  I haven't had anyone monitoring me.  I would renew my
prescriptions at my regular internal medicine doctor's office.  I have
heard some reallly negative things about SSRis and it is scaring me
very much.  I have read online that it may cause permanent brain
damage and possibly cause irreversable spasms or ticks after already
being off the medicine.  I have never experienced negative symptoms
related to luvox.. But this idea is causing me much stress because I
have been on the medicine for so long.  Do we know the long-term
effects of this drug?  Is there any hope that I can prevent permanent
brain damage?  I am going to taper off this drug with a doctor
starting this month.  I appreciate any solid advice and/or info. 
Thank you kindly!

best,
Rob
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Subject: Re: Preventing permanent damage from SSRIs
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 01 Oct 2004 12:47 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
rob...

I noticed your other question while researching this one,
so perhaps I can answer them both here. I worked in the 
field of mental health for 20+ years, so this is familiar
territory for me.

First, set me say that your the dosage you've been taking
for 9 years is a minimal dosage, and is in fact the starting
dosage for Luvox. From the American Academy of Family Physicians'
page on Antidepressants:

"Fluvoxamine (Luvox) is FDA-approved only for the treatment of
 OCD in patients who are at least eight years of age and older,
 although its spectrum of activity is likely to be similar to
 that of other SSRIs. The initial dosage in adults is 50 mg
 daily, titrating up to 150 to 250 mg per day divided into two
 doses...The most common side effects are nausea, vomiting, and
 headache."
http://www.aafp.org/afp/20030201/547.html

Your assertion that you have never experienced negative symptoms
related to Luvox is also a very positive thing, since this
particular SSRI has what is known as a shorter 'half-life', and
is therefore more likely to result in the experience of side
effects between doses than are SSRIs with a longer half-life.
This is asserted in a paper entitled 'Fluvoxamine as a cause of
stimulation, mania and aggression with a critical analysis of 
the FDA-approved label' by Peter R. Breggin, M.D., available
in PDF format:

"According to the manufacturer, Luvox has a half-life of 15.6
 hours. When a half-life is less than 24 hours, inter-dose
 withdrawal is a distinct possibility as the blood levels of
 the drug fall below half their peak before the passage of 24
 hours. Particularly when the individual awakens in the morning,
 perhaps as much as 24 hours after the last dose, the blood
 level can be considerably reduced, leading to morning withdrawal
 symptoms."
*Much* more in the document:
http://www.breggin.com/luvox.pdf

So, if you're not experiencing any negative symptoms after 9
years, you are not likely to have any great difficulty in 
lowering the dosage (titrating down) until you are safely off
the drug.


As it turns out, Dr. Breggin is not only the most authoritative
and prolific author on the topic of side effects from psychiatric
medications, he also lives and practices in New York (sorry, he's
in Ithaca, not Manhattan):

Peter R. Breggin, M.D.
101 East State Street, PMB 112
Ithaca, New York 14850-5543
Phone: 607 272 5328
Fax: 607 272 5329

His contact page would seem to indicate that he is open to 
taking on new clients:
http://www.breggin.com/contact.html

His homepage is here:
http://www.breggin.com


An article detailing the FDA's "Public Health Advisory"
about the risks associated with the use of SSRIs, and
confirming what Dr Breggin has been asserting for over
10 years is available on his site, and is entitled:
'The Proven Dangers of Antidepressants'
http://www.breggin.com/Newspaper%20column--shortened.pdf


A search of his site for the terms "permanent brain damage"
did not turn up anything with regard to Luvox specifically,
but only in reference to SSRIs in general. It is mentioned
in a book he authored, titled: 'The Anti-Depressant Fact Book',
and subtitled, 'What Your Doctor Won't Tell You About Prozac,
Zoloft, Paxil, Celexa, and Luvox', Perseus Publishing - 
Cambridge, Massachusetts copyright 2001, paperback
by Peter R. Breggin, M.D.

It's available on Amazon here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/073820451X/102-2399094-2377753?v=glance

It is reviewed by Douglas A. Smith on the AntiPsychiatry site:
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/br-afb.htm

If you sign up for a free account with Amazon.com, Dr Breggin's
books offer the feature of 'Search Inside', and a search for the
terms "permanent brain damage" returns 8 references which you can
read about by way of this feature.

Dr. Breggin himself recommends that you consult that specific
book in regard to the topic of SSRI side effects, since the
topic is thoroughly documented there, and this may preclude the
need for personal contact with him (although downward titration
of a psychiatric medication should ALWAYS be done under careful
supervision).

"Prozac, Paxil, Luvox and other SSRIs:  For information regarding
 side effects of Prozac and other SSRI's including Zoloft, Paxil,
 Luvox, Celexa, Effexor, etc., as well as better approaches for
 depression see Dr. Breggin's book: The Antidepressant Fact Book
 (2001)".
From his contact page:
http://www.breggin.com/contact.html

Another of his newest books specifically addresses the topic of
supervised withdrawal, providing guidelines to psychiatric
practitioners who may not be adequately informed enough to do 
this safely:

'Your Drug May Be Your Problem:
How and Why to Stop Taking Psychiatric Medications'
by Peter R. Breggin M.D. and David Cohen Ph.D.
Hardback, 1999, Perseus Books, Reading, MA.

"The first book to expose the shortcomings of psychiatric
 drugs and to guide patients and doctors through the process
 of withdrawing from them."
From a page devoted to the book and reviews by the psychiatric
community:
http://www.breggin.com/yourdrug.html

It's available on Amazon here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0738203483/102-2399094-2377753?v=glance

For an understanding of how psychiatric professionals can be
misled and misinformed with regard to the side-effects of Luvox,
read the full article to which I referred earlier, titled:
'Fluvoxamine as a cause of stimulation, mania and aggression
 with a critical analysis of the FDA-approved label'
http://www.breggin.com/luvox.pdf

A bibliography of Dr Breggins writings is here:
http://www.breggin.com/biblio.html


As for long-term effects, McMan's Depression and Bipolar Web
site summarizes what I know, in this page on antidepressants:
"...we simply do not know the long-term effects of many of
 these drugs. Trials are typically conducted amongst rather
 small population groups for periods that tend to range from
 six to eight weeks. Year-long trials are an extreme rarity,
 and 10-year data of the newer antidepressants is simply not
 available."
http://www.mcmanweb.com/depression_meds.htm


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Additional information may be found from further exploration
of the links provided above, as well as those resulting from
the Google searches outlined below:

Searches done, via Google:

Preventing permanent damage SSRIs Luvox
://www.google.com/search?q=Preventing+permanent+damage+from+SSRIs+Luvox

Luvox withdrawal site:www.breggin.com
://www.google.com/search?q=Luvox+withdrawal+site%3Awww.breggin.com

"permanent brain damage" site:www.breggin.com
://www.google.com/search?q=%22permanent+brain+damage%22+site%3Awww.breggin.com

titrating luvox
://www.google.com/search?q=titrating+luvox

luvox "permanent brain damage"
://www.google.com/search?q=luvox+%22permanent+brain+damage%22

"SSRIs cause permanent brain damage"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22SSRIs+cause+permanent+brain+damage%22

"long term effects" luvox
://www.google.com/search?q=%22long+term+effects%22+luvox

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 01 Oct 2004 12:54 PDT
Hi again rob...

It just occurred to me that, if Dr. Breggin is "geographically
undesirable" due to his location in Ithaca, he might be more than
happy to provide you with a personal referral to recommended 
practitioner in Manhattan. It's certainly worth a phone call.

sublime1-ga
rob1978-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $5.00
Wonderful answer.  This was helpful and didn't feel rushed.  Very, very nice!!

Comments  
Subject: Re: Preventing permanent damage from SSRIs
From: msanjelpie-ga on 01 Oct 2004 23:19 PDT
 
Hi Rob,

Just a free comment from an amateur...

I've been on Prozac for 6 years for bipolar disorder - and similarly
have no known adverse long-term effects so far.

I have read about the tics (akathisia and tardive dyskinesia) with
other anti-psychotic medications that are dopamine antagonists- but
not with SSRI's.  I'll have to look into that.

My father has been on A-P meds for over 43 years, took Artane to try
and offset the onset of the TD symptoms, and now he does have the
beginnings of the tics with occasional uncontrollable tongue
movements.  It doesn't seem to bother him at this point...  I don't
think he knows he is doing it.

It's not like he could have not been on the medication all these
years...  You don't have much choice when you have chronic paranoid
schizophrenia.

When I think about the possible long-term side effects of taking the
SSRI meds for depression - the rest of my life, it is still preferable
to living with my mind the way it was pre meds.

I also read in time magazine last year, that continual usage of SSRIs,
does effect the length between the serotonin synapses over time,
making the SSRIs work harder to achieve the same gold - but it didn't
specify what the long term effects of that altered relationship would
be if the meds were stopped.  (Don't plan on stopping them, so not too
worried about it...)

SSRI's have been on the market for 20 years now.  Now the long-term
effects will start showing up in the die-hard users...  We probably
won't know for another 10 years of any negative effects (i.e. brain
damage) but I still maintain...  Regardless of the mush my mind might
turn into in another 30 years...  it was worth it for me, to have all
these years of trouble-free thought...  I wouldn't want to live
without the ADs.

More info:  http://www.prozactruth.com/tics.htm

Jeannie
Subject: Re: Preventing permanent damage from SSRIs
From: rob1978-ga on 02 Oct 2004 09:57 PDT
 
I really appreciate the very quick and thorough response to my
concerns.  I thought this was very helpful and I am pleased with the
answer.  I don't mind traveling to Ithica either.. I will go anywhere
for the right doctor who has extensive experience & research.  This
definitely helped calm some of my concerns about the drug.  Thank you
very much!

Rob
Subject: Re: Preventing permanent damage from SSRIs
From: sublime1-ga on 02 Oct 2004 18:11 PDT
 
Rob...

Thanks very much for the kind remarks, the stars, and the tip!

sublime1-ga

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