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Subject: bleeding into skin on legs when standing for long period.
Category: Health > Conditions and Diseases
Asked by: sauna_sue-ga
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Posted: 17 Oct 2004 06:36 PDT
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Question ID: 416008
For the past several years, when I would go to our annual regional
fair, where we would be on our feet all day long, walking on asphalt,
stopping and standing frequently, I would find small patches of bloody
red skin on my lower legs.  I would find the same thing when I went to
New York City and toured the city all day long.  The skin was smooth
and it didn't hurt except that my legs felt tired.  The red would go
away in a few days, but would itch somewhat as it healed.  Recently I
went on a two day hike from small fishing village to small fishing
village along stone paved pathways, where I stopped frequently to take
photos, tour the villages.  I was on my feet from 7 AM to about
midnight, sitting down for lunch.  At the end of the first day (I was
wearing support stockings with moderate compression because I had
recently started suffering from a mild edema) my lower legs were
almost solid RED with blood.  My legs were still smooth, slightly hot,
and not painful, but very tired.  The 2nd day I wore maximum
compression stockings and the redness was less than the first day, but
still pretty bad.  When the red goes away it does not leave my legs
yellow like a I would have expected.  I have tried to research this
condition on the web, but I don't know what to call it.  I tried leaky
legs, but that brings up yellow fluid leaking out of the skin, which
is not what I'm experiencing.  Can you give me some information about
it and tell me what words I can use to do my own research?  I am in my
50s.

Request for Question Clarification by googleexpert-ga on 17 Oct 2004 07:06 PDT
Hi sauna_sue,
It sounds like your condition is called Deep Vein Thrombosis.
Information about Deep Vein Thrombosis:
http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/mosby_factsheets/Deep_Vein_Thrombosis.html

The small patches of bloody red skin concerns me.
Do these patches peel or flake away?


-googleexpert

Clarification of Question by sauna_sue-ga on 17 Oct 2004 08:23 PDT
Thank you for your response.  No the patches do not peel or flake
away.  They just disappear in a couple days.

I am afraid that you did not understand when I said my legs were RED
all over, I meant that the patches of bright red blood (from a
distance it looks like I'm bleeding through the skin of my legs) are
so numerous that it covered my legs in a speckled mass of red.  This
came only after an extremely long day of being on my feet on a hard
surface.  When I hike in the woods for a couple of hours on soft
ground I do not suffer from this problem.

Request for Question Clarification by tlspiegel-ga on 17 Oct 2004 09:53 PDT
Hi sauna_sue,

Will you please take a look at the picture at this link and post if
this is what your legs look like.  If it does, I will be happy to
answer your question with more information.

Henoch-Schonlein Purpura (HSP) Vasculitis - Lower Leg
http://tray.dermatology.uiowa.edu/HSPurp01.htm

Please post a clarification letting me know.

Best regards,
tlspiegel

Request for Question Clarification by crabcakes-ga on 17 Oct 2004 10:03 PDT
Hi sauna-sue,

  Are you on any blood pressure medications, blood "thinners" such as
coumadin? Aspirin? The reaction you describe often occurs to folks on
these medications, as the drugs cause your capillaries to become a bit
"leaky". The skin does not turn yellow as the coloration is not a
bruise in the true sense.

Could you tell us what meds you are taking, your age, and the state of
your general health?

Regards,
crabcakes

Clarification of Question by sauna_sue-ga on 17 Oct 2004 14:10 PDT
Regarding the picture of Purpura:  My legs looked somewhat like the
picture (sans hair).  My legs were more red (fresh blood color) than
the purple in the picture. It is hard to tell in the picture if the
red welts are raised or not.  Mine were not raised, but my legs felt
smooth.  And I had more spots than the person in the picture.  But the
location of the spots followed fairly closely to the picture.  I could
send you a photo of my legs (I wanted to document this phenomena) if I
knew how to attach a photo to this message.

I am on Lipitor, Zetia, and Mobic.  That is all, but I have had this
leg problem for many more years than I've been on medication, just not
so bad before this.

Request for Question Clarification by tlspiegel-ga on 17 Oct 2004 14:16 PDT
Hi sauna_sue,

Thank you for your clarification.  You can register for free and
upload the image/photo of your legs at one of the following free image
uploaders.  You'd copy and paste the url (address) back here at Google
Answers.  Then we can be able to see what your legs look like.

Try registering and uploading your image at one of the following free
sites and then post the URL of the image here.

http://www.villagephotos.com

http://www.photobucket.com

http://www.uploadyourimages.com/

http://imageshack.us/ 

http://tinypic.com/ 


Hope this helps,
tlspiegel

Clarification of Question by sauna_sue-ga on 17 Oct 2004 17:13 PDT
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/855939/dsc_02791.jpg

Here's the photo of my leg. The vertical strips were caused by the
elastic of the medium compression support stockings I had just
removed.  My legs had some edema along with the red marks.

Clarification of Question by sauna_sue-ga on 17 Oct 2004 17:27 PDT
To answer the questions about my general health:  I am a healthy
56-year-old. I haven't had any respiratory problems (flu, or cold) for
many years.  My biggest health issues are muscle cramping when I
sleep, so that I don't sleep for long.  The pain goes away when I get
up and start moving around.  Mobic allows me to obtain a full night's
sleep.  I am not very physically active, but I do enjoy occassional
hikes in the woods, and I try to get on the treadmill for 20-30
minutes every few days.  I am over-weight, but not obese.

Request for Question Clarification by tlspiegel-ga on 17 Oct 2004 17:29 PDT
Hi sauna_sue,

Thank you for uploading the picture.   (They say a picture is worth a
thousand words and in this case it sure is.)

Have you asked your physician or health care provider about it?  

If so, do they recommend any testing to determine what's causing it?  

My other question is what happens if you *don't* wear compression hose
on days when you're going to be standing or walking around?  I realize
you're wearing them for the edema problem you have now.

But, prior to the edema issues did you have the same amount of
leaking.  More?  Less?  Same?

I do think the bottom line is the condition will have to be diagnosed
by a physician to get a clear idea on what's going on with your legs.

Thank you again for posting the picture.  I must say it looks very
painful!  I'm glad it's not causing pain for you.

Best regards,
tlspiegel

Clarification of Question by sauna_sue-ga on 17 Oct 2004 18:13 PDT
I sent the same picture to my Primary Care Physician.  He wants me to
go see a hemotologist.  But since we cut our health insurance down to
major medical, with $5000 deductible per person, I don't want to go
unless it is absolutely necessary.  My feeling is that the problem is
not life-threatening, only appears after I've over-stressed my legs,
is not painful, and goes away in a few days.  I would just like to
know what it is to be sure that I'm correct in my assumptions.

I'm quite confident that the support stockings helped prevent it from
being worse, because our 2nd day of hiking (the day after this photo
was taken) I wore heavy compression stockings, and my legs actually
looked somewhat better at the end of the 2nd day.

A week before I left for this 2-day hike, I was not wearing support
stockings.  I went shopping at the mall for a couple of hours, and
then stood on my feet on a hard floor for a couple of hours visiting
with a friend after an evening meeting.  I felt my legs aching from
fatigue.  The next morning I found 5 or 6 quarter-sized red splotches
on my legs.  That's when I purchased the support stockings.  I had
never gotten the red splotches so easily before, so I am guessing that
the edema issue may be making the problem worse.

Since we got home from the 2-day hike a few weeks ago, I have not had
to wear support stockings.  I took an hour hike in the woods last week
with no recurrance of the red splotches--soft ground doesn't seem to
cause it.  My legs do not get fatigued from forest hiking as long as I
don't go all day long.  Hard surface walking makes my legs ache in a
short time.

Request for Question Clarification by tlspiegel-ga on 17 Oct 2004 18:32 PDT
Hi sauna_sue,

Thank you again for more information.  I really don't have a clue
other than what I posted.  Henoch-Schonlein Purpura (HSP) Vasculitis -
Lower Leg, generally appears after an infection or your immune system
being compromised and you say you're in good health, with no recent
colds or flus.

If you decide to see the specialist, please let us know what he comes up with. 

Lastly, if you wish to know more information on HSP, please clarify
and I'll post in the answer box.
 
I want to wish you good health in the future. 

Best regards,
tlspiegel

Clarification of Question by sauna_sue-ga on 17 Oct 2004 21:22 PDT
I already looked it up on the web.  It does not seem to describe what
I have.  Thank you for trying to help.  Will anybody else be trying to
answer this question?  I have never used Google Answers before.

Request for Question Clarification by crabcakes-ga on 17 Oct 2004 23:55 PDT
Hi sauna_sue,

   I have been working on your question, and will post my answer shortly!

Regards,
crabcakes
Answer  
Subject: Re: bleeding into skin on legs when standing for long period.
Answered By: crabcakes-ga on 18 Oct 2004 00:28 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hi sauna_sue,

  Before I begin my answer, I need to remind you that this answer is
for informational purposes only, and not intended to diagnose your
problem, or to replace sound medical advice from a licensed physician.
Your private physician is the best source of information pertaining to
this problem, and s/he is aware of your complete medical history.

Having said that, I have included in my response several ?could be?
answers. Some may seem more relevant than others to you, as you know
your symptoms and medical history in depth. Be aware that
conditions/disorders/syndromes can manifest themselves differently in
different patients. What Patient A presents with may not be what
Patient B presents with, due to medications, hereditary, age,
lifestyle, etc.  Also, some of the possibilities I have included are
more serious than others, and are mentioned here, not to alarm you,
but to inform you. It appears from your picture that you may have some
varicose veins (or it may be a shadow from the hose ridges). If so,
your leg vessels may be fragile, with poor circulation, so that when
you stand or walk a lot, the pressure, along with the swelling of the
edema, forces the blood out of your vessels, into the skin.

Your doctor is referring you to a hematologist because s/he may
suspect a clotting disorder, coagulopathy, vasculopathy, or a
thrombocytopenia (decreased platelet count). These disorders are
complicated matters that can stem from something as seemingly
innocuous as an over the counter anti-inflammatory (Ibuprofen) or
something more serious such as an autoimmune disease, leukemia or
malignancy.

You state you don?t feel this is a life threatening problem. While it
may not be an immediate problem,(you say you have had this for some
time) I do feel you need medical attention soon. You ?could? try
eliminating the Mobic for a time and see if the edema improves, but I
feel you should seek prompt medical attention, at least for initial
blood tests. Has your doctor reviewed ALL medications as well as any
vitamins and supplements you may be taking? Has your physician run any
blood tests? If not, s/he can order the same tests as a hematologist
would, thus avoiding a specialist visit should the tests come back
negative. I think you will need to get at the root of the edema as
well!

http://www.fpnotebook.com/REN15.htm

http://www.footsmart.com/Leg-Circulation-Leg-Edema.aspx

http://health.allrefer.com/health/peripheral-edema-lower-leg-edema.html

http://patients.uptodate.com/topic.asp?file=kidn_dis/4639



Your hematologist (or primary doctor) will likely order screening
tests to begin diagnosing the cause of your red legs. Common tests for
bleeding/clotting disorders include a CBC- Complete Blood Count (which
includes counts of your red and white blood cells, and platelets), a
Pro Time (Prothrombin time), a PTT (Partial Thromboplastin time) and
liver enzymes. Some hematologists still like some of the old clotting
tests that involve pricking your earlobe and timing how long it takes
to form a solid clot. Should any of these tests indicate an
abnormality, your hematologist may then order a bone marrow test. A
bone marrow sample can show how immature red and white blood cells are
forming, as well as detect any platelet disorders and malignancies
such as leukemias.


The simplest and possibly most obvious cause of your ?red legs? would
be medications. It may be that your medications are triggering the
formation of  your red blotches:
 
Mobic (meloxicam) belongs to the enolic acid group of nonsteroidal
anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs): One of the side effects of Mobic is
fluid retention (edema), and patients that have  a bleeding or
clotting disorder should not take Mobic.  Both Mobic and Zetia can
cause liver problems, which can be detected early by having blood
drawn for liver enzymes. Liver problems can also lead to clotting
disorders. Lipitor can cause peripheral edema.
http://www.drugs.com/mobic.html

http://www.fda.gov/cder/consumerinfo/druginfo/mobic.htm

http://www.drugs.com/zetia.html

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/ezetimibe_ad.htm

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/atorvastatin_ad.htm

Peripheral Edema
?Painless swelling of the feet and ankles is a common problem,
particularly in older people. It may affect both legs and may include
the calves or even the thighs. Because of the effect of gravity,
swelling is particularly noticeable in the lower legs.
When squeezed, the fluid will move out of the affected area and may
leave a deep impression for a few moments.
Swelling of the legs is many times related to systemic causes (for
example, heart failure, renal failure, or liver failure).?

http://health.yahoo.com/health/ency/adam/003104

http://www.umm.edu/ency/article/003104.htm



Petechiae

Petechiae are red blotches, usually small, on the skin. 
?There are many possible causes of petechiae. Common causes include: 
· injury or trauma 
· allergic reactions to medications 
· autoimmune disorders, which are conditions in which the person's
body creates antibodies to its own tissues for unknown reasons
· liver disorders, such as cirrhosis 
· infections, such as mononucleosis and endocarditis 
· bone marrow disorders, such as leukemia 
·  thrombocytopenia, a deficiency of platelets 
· nutritional deficiencies, such as a deficiency in vitamins C, K, or
B12, or folic acid · medications, such as blood thinners
· recent blood transfusions 
· medical treatment, such as radiation therapy and chemotherapy for cancer 
· birth, due to the pressure changes caused by vaginal delivery
· aging skin 
· sepsis, or blood infection 
· violent vomiting or coughing.?
http://health.discovery.com/encyclopedias/972.html


DVT
Deep Vein Thrombosis is usually seen in one leg only, though it can
occur in both, and is not common in people who exercise regularly.
?Deep vein thrombosis, commonly referred to as DVT, is a disease of
the circulation. It occurs most often in people who have not been able
to exercise normally.
Blood passing through the deepest veins in the calf or thigh flows
relatively slowly: when a DVT occurs it moves so slowly that it forms
a solid clot which becomes wedged in the vein.?
http://www.fpnotebook.com/HEM29.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/medical_notes/c-d/986364.stm

http://www.medicinenet.com/deep_vein_thrombosis/article.htm


Chronic Venous Insufficiency
?Chronic venous insufficiency (CVI) occurs when damaged vein valves or
a DVT causes long-term pooling of blood and swelling in the legs.  If
uncontrolled, fluid will leak into the surrounding tissues in the
ankles and feet, and may eventually cause skin breakdown and
ulceration?
http://www.clevelandclinic.org/heartcenter/pub/guide/disease/vascular/whatis.htm

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2760.htm

Here are some photos of patients with CVI. Warning: Some images are
very graphic, and it is apparent these patients are in far worse
condition than are you! This is a slide show - simply click the arrows
to advance the pictures.
http://medicine.ucsd.edu/clinicalimg/extremities-venous-insuf4.html




Stasis dermatitis
·?Swelling of legs, ankles, or other areas
·Skin appears thin, tissue-like
·Skin lesion: macule or patch 
·Skin spots, red
·Darkening of skin at the ankles or legs
·Thickening of skin at the ankles or legs
·Open sores, ulcers (may develop)
·Superficial skin irritation of the legs
·Itching (of the affected area)
·Leg pains (in the affected area)?

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000834.htm

http://www.healthcentral.com/mhc/img/img2136.cfm

 

Lymphedema

?Primary lymphedema, which can affect from one to as many as four
limbs and/or other parts of the body, can be present at birth, develop
at the onset of puberty (praecox) or in adulthood (tarda), all from
unknown causes, or associated with vascular anomolies such as
hemangioma, lymphangioma, Port Wine Stain, Klippel Trenaury.
Secondary lymphedema, or acquired lymphedema, can develop as a result
of surgery, radiation, infection or trauma. Specific surgeries, such
as surgery for melanoma or breast, gynecological, head and neck,
prostate or testicular, bladder or colon cancer, all of which
currently require removal of lymph nodes, put patients at risk of
developing secondary lymphedema. If lymph nodes are removed, there is
always a risk of developing lymphedema.
Secondary lymphedema can develop immediately post-operatively, or
weeks, months, even years later. It can also develop when chemotherapy
is unwisely administered to the already affected area (the side on
which the surgery was performed) or after repeated aspirations of a
seroma (a pocket of fluid which occurs commonly post-operatively) in
the axilla, around the breast incision, or groin area. This often
causes infection and, subsequently, lymphedema.?
http://www.lymphnet.org/whatis.html 

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/MIT/content/MIT_7_2x_Understanding_Lymphedema.asp?sitearea=MIT&viewmode=print&


Purpuras

What you have is probably NOT Henoch-Schönlein purpura, but here is
some information to read over. Yours may fall into another purpura
category however. Purpuric areas with H-S turn red to purple, then
rust colored, light brown, and fade away. H-S purpura usually occurs
in the age range of 2-11 years of age. The disorder almost always
presents with a  classic triad of  gastrointestinal upsets, with
hematuria (blood in the urine) and arthritis.
http://www.aafp.org/afp/980800ap/kraft.html

?Purpura is sudden, severe, bruising that may be localized, regional,
or widespread, and occurs without an injury. People who develop
purpura often have signs of illness, such as a fever, weakness,
fatigue, or a vague sense of being ill (malaise). The bruising caused
by purpura is different from the isolated bruises a person often gets
after bumping into an object or falling.
A bleeding or clotting disorder is the most common cause of purpura.
Purpura that comes on quickly over a short period (a few hours) may be
a sign of a serious infection that requires immediate medical
treatment.?
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/kbase/topic/symptom/bruse/overview.htm


Vascular purpura

?Hypergammaglobulinemic purpura is a syndrome that primarily affects
women. It is characterized by a polyclonal increase in IgG
(broad-based or diffuse hypergammaglobulinemia on serum protein
electrophoresis) and recurrent crops of small, palpable purpuric
lesions on the lower legs. These lesions leave small residual brown
spots. Vasculitis is seen on biopsy. Many patients have manifestations
of an underlying immunologic disorder (eg, Sjögren's syndrome, SLE).?
http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section11/chapter134/134f.jsp


Schamberg's purpura 

Schamberg's disease (progressive pigmented purpura). ?The capillaries
are small blood vessels near to the skin surface. For unknown reasons
they sometimes become inflamed. Blood cells may pass through small
gaps that arise between the cells, which make up the capillary walls.
The result is tiny red dots appear on the skin, described as cayenne
pepper spots. They group together to form a flat red patch, which
becomes brown and then slowly fades away over weeks to months.?
This is the most common type of capillaritis. Crops of red-brown flat
patches with cayenne pepper spots on their borders appear for no
apparent reason. Although most common on the lower legs, Schamberg's
can arise on any part of the body. It is usually irregularly
distributed on both sides with few or many patches. There are no
symptoms.?
http://dermnetnz.org/vascular/capillaritis.html

http://www.dermnet.com/thumbnailIndex.cfm?moduleID=22&moduleGroupID=322&groupIndex=0&numcols=0


Purpura Fulminans

http://dermatlas.med.jhmi.edu/derm/result.cfm?Diagnosis=-215061246
http://tjp.dergisi.org/pdf//xml/pdf-44.pdf


ITP - Idiopathic Thrombocytopenic Purpura

?ITP, idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, also known as immune
thrombocytopenic purpura, is classified as an autoimmune disease. In
an autoimmune disease the body mounts an attack toward one or more
otherwise normal organ systems.  In ITP, platelets are the target. 
They are marked as foreign by the immune system and eliminated in the
spleen, or sometimes the liver.?
http://www.itppeople.com/aboutitp.htm

?ITP can present itself with small purple spots called petechiae in
the mouth and legs, nose bleeds, and bleeding gums during normal
dental care. Some people develop bruises on their arms and legs with
no provocation. It is often accompanied by fatigue and sometimes
depression.?
http://www.itppeople.com/moreabou.htm

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/itp.htm

http://www.vh.org/adult/patient/cancercenter/blooddisorders/essentialthrombo.html

?The disorders most commonly confused with chronic ITP are as follows: 
·  Drugs. Certain drugs cause low platelet counts. The most common are
quinine, quinidine, sulfa and sulfa-like drugs and heparin. However,
many other drugs have caused thrombocytopenia in occasional patients.
If the patient is taking a potentially causitive drug, it should be
stopped and the platelet count observed. If a drug is the cause, the
platelet count will become normal within 2-3 weeks, although there are
occasional exceptions (e.g., thrombocytopenia due to gold therapy in
patients with rheumatoid arthritis).
·  Immune thrombocytopenia associated with other diseases.
Thrombocytopenia may be associated with a variety of diseases
including: collagen vascular disease (such as systemic lupus
erythematosus), lymphoproliferative disorders (such as chronic
lymphocytic leukemia or non-Hodgkin's lymphoma), and infections
(particularly viral infections such as HIV, cytomegalovirus, hepatitis
and mononucleosis). These disorders can be ruled out by careful
examination and the appropriate laboratory studies.
·  Disorders associated with decreased platelet production. A variety
of diseases such as aplastic anemia, acute leukemia, etc. can cause
thrombocytopenia. These can be easily ruled out by evaluation of the
blood count and bone marrow.?
http://seconde.scripps.edu/itp/dxprog.html


Leukocytoclastic Vasculitis

?A necrotizing vasculitis accompanied by extravasation and
fragmentation of granulocytes.
Causes include hypersensitivity to drugs, viral infections (eg,
hepatitis), and collagen vascular disorders. The most common clinical
manifestation is palpable purpura, often associated with systemic
symptoms, such as polyarthralgia and fever. Diagnosis is established
by skin biopsy. Therapy is determined by the underlying cause of the
vasculitis.?
http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section11/chapter134/134g.jsp

Thrombocytopenia

Platelets originate from stem cells in the bone marrow, are
irregularly shaped, and help blood clot after a wound. In
thrombocytopenias the body may not produce enough platelets, they may
get destroyed by a drug or disease process, or they may be defective
and not function. Too few platelets can cause petechiae and red
blotches from capillary blood that has escaped into the skin.
http://sln.fi.edu/biosci/blood/platelet.html
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/thrombocytopenia.htm
http://www.fpnotebook.com/HEM197.htm


Platelet Dysfunctions

?In some disorders, the platelets may be normal in number, yet
hemostatic plugs do not form normally and the bleeding time will be
long. Platelet dysfunction may stem from an intrinsic platelet defect
or from an extrinsic factor that alters the function of otherwise
normal platelets. Defects may be hereditary or acquired. Tests of the
coagulation phase of hemostasis (eg, partial thromboplastin time and
prothrombin time) are normal in most circumstances but not all?
http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section11/chapter133/133c.jsp
http://www.fpnotebook.com/HEM193.htm

PVD and PAD
Peripheral Vascular Disease and Peripheral Arterial Disease
?What are the symptoms of PAD?
The earliest and most common symptom of peripheral arterial disease is
intermittent claudication, a tightness or squeezing pain in the calf,
thigh, or buttock during exertion, such as walking. The pain is
usually triggered at a certain point after the same amount of exercise
and is relieved by rest. As the condition worsens, foot and toe pain
may occur at rest. Some people may not have any symptoms until
complications develop.?
http://www.peacehealth.org/kbase/topic/special/aa105361/sec1.htm

http://www.veins1.com/care/condition20.cfm?BulletinID=38

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3020252

http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/diseasemanagement/cardiology/pad/pad.htm

Other photos:
Purpura
http://bmc.ub.uni-potsdam.de/1471-5945-2-1/F1.htm



About compression hose (TED hose)
Be sure and put on your hose when you wake, and not after you have
been up. If you have been up and walking around, you will need to lie
down, with your feet elevated for 20-30 minutes before putting on your
hose.


http://www.supporthosiery.com/compression_hosiery.htm

http://www.theeagle.com/healthpro/woundcare/

http://www.insideairports.com/traveltips/dvt.asp


Finally, sauna_sue,  don?t smoke, and have your blood pressure
checked, as many circulatory problems can be caused and/or aggravated
by high blood pressure and the use of tobacco products. Please visit
your doctor and consider a hematological consult as well. I wish you
all the best!

Thank you for posting the picture of your leg, and thanks to
tlspiegel-ga for suggesting it!

If any part of my answer is unclear, I will be happy to assist you
further, if you request an Answer Clarification, before rating.

Regards, crabcakes

Search Terms
Petechiae
Chronic Venous Insufficiency
Thrombocytopenia
Coagulopathies
PAD
peripheral arterial disease
PVD
Peripheral edema
Small Vessel Vasculitis
hemagiomas

Request for Answer Clarification by sauna_sue-ga on 18 Oct 2004 17:24 PDT
It would seem my edema was brought on by the Mobic, since the first
time I noticed the edema was after I had started taking the Mobic,
over a year ago.  I never related the two events before.  Bummer! 
Mobic provided me the first good night's rest in years.

From your description of Petechiae (I'll accept this as the name for
the phenomena), the only item in the list that fits my situation would
be "injury or trauma", which is what my legs feel like when I stand or
walk on hard surfaces--like when I jump off a wall and land hard on my
legs.  The ONLY time I ever see the red spots is after a long hard day
on my feet--only a couple times a year in the past.

The red spots seem to have come more easily more frequently with the
edema.  But I didn't see a link between Petechiae and edema in what
you wrote me.  Did you find a link between the two?  Did I miss it?

Clarification of Answer by crabcakes-ga on 19 Oct 2004 12:50 PDT
Hi again sauna_sue,

 Thank you for the 5 stars!

Edema is excess fluid, caused by nuerous things such as heart and
renal failure, some drugs, and auto-immune disease. Petechiae occur
when blood vessels become extra-permeable, sometimes called "leaky
vessels". Petechiae are simply small amounts of blood leaking out of
the vessel, and showing in the surrounding skin. Edema can certainly
aggravate petechiae, due to the inceased vascular pressure, but the
two can exist exclusively as well.

Regards,
crabcakes
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Thank you for all the information.  That was a lot of research!  Now I
have something to base my decision on.

Comments  
Subject: Re: bleeding into skin on legs when standing for long period.
From: dragon_2-ga on 24 Oct 2004 22:32 PDT
 
Don't consider DVT. That's not what it is. I can't tell you what it
is...cause I don't know...but I do know that it is not DVT.
Subject: Re: bleeding into skin on legs when standing for long period.
From: jr2000-ga on 31 Oct 2004 00:46 PDT
 
It does not appear that your leg has petechiae, which are much more
pinpoint in the way they present.  I would take a second look at
stasis dermatitis.  You mention that as you improve, you have itching,
and you also have some edema present.  Ulcers do not always present
themselves in this condition.

http://www.emedicine.com/DERM/topic403.htm

I hope you are able to find some answers and some relief.

~JR
Subject: Re: bleeding into skin on legs when standing for long period.
From: goatlady-ga on 11 Nov 2004 10:51 PST
 
sauna sue - just wondering if you have found anything else out.  I
JUST went to the doctor today with the same syptoms plus lower leg
achiness, especially in the morning.  Mine too - only happens when on
my feet for long periods of time, especially on hard pavement.  It has
gotten progressively worse in the past 3 years.  My doctor has orderd
some bloodwork, but I am trying to do some research of my own in the
meantime.  Thanks.
Subject: Re: bleeding into skin on legs when standing for long period.
From: bobbyr-ga on 18 Nov 2004 21:58 PST
 
I had the same problem. On my annual trips to Disney World, I would
get the same patches on the inside of my ankles, about the size of an
orange. Each year it got worse, and came earlier into my seven day
trip.  One year I took photos and took them to my dermatologist. He
asked what meds I was on, and among other things I told him an aspirin
a day and vitamin E. He told me that 3 or four weeks before the next
trip I should go off the aspirin and vitamin E and take large doese
(1500mg) of Vitamin C. I did and not a sign of the problem (for the
past 2 years). I used no compression. He said the blood was leaking
from the capillarier more due to the thinning action of the aspirin
and E, and going off of them would prevent that. The vitamin C aids
collagen production to prevent the same.
Mine were solid patches, warm to the touch, and would hurt like heck
if I managed to scratch the patch. The patches went from red to gone
in 4 or 5 days with no orange or brown in between.
Subject: Re: bleeding into skin on legs when standing for long period.
From: sauna_sue-ga on 19 Nov 2004 05:23 PST
 
Progress report.  

I stopped taking the Mobic and am taking another pain killer.  I don't
sleep as well any more, but the edema is gone.  I haven't had the
"opportunity" to be on my feet on hard pavement for a long period of
time, so I have not suffered from "petechiae", or whatever it really
is.  I expect it will be as it has been for the past 20 years, when I
didn't have the edema. In other words, before the edema was a problem,
bleeding into my legs was something that happened to me once or twice
a year when I went to the Fair or when I went to New York City, where
I walked on hard surfaces ALL DAY LONG.   It was never so very bad as
the photos I posted here until the edema.

Next time, I will try the Vitamin C theory.  Thanks, bobbyr.

I hope this question continues to receive comments, so that we all can
find answers to "What is this called, and what causes it?"  Thank you,
all.

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