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Subject:
Subtenant rights when master tenant is evicted in SF, CA
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: bogonflux-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
20 Oct 2004 23:53 PDT
Expires: 19 Nov 2004 22:53 PST Question ID: 417948 |
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Re: Subtenant rights when master tenant is evicted in SF, CA
From: ipfan-ga on 21 Oct 2004 12:09 PDT |
The answer really depends on what the master lease says, and I'll bet you lunch at Postrio that it says some or all of this: "Tenant may not sublease without landlord's permission. In all respects, the terms of this master lease shall govern over the terms of any sublease. Tenant remains responsible for performance by any subtenant." So, did the tenant/sublandlord get the master landlord's permission before subleasing to you? Assuming that they did, in any event the master lease trumps your sublease, and if the master lease is terminated for non-payment, so is the sublease, by definition. Thus, your rights expire when the sublandlord's rights expire. If I were you, I would (a) not sign any court papers and (b) move out as soon as you can. You could always try to go back later and recover from the sublandlord the rent money you paid for the time period during which you did not occupy the apartment. So you say your paid up through November 30? If you move out today, you could sue the sublandlord (assuming you're neither in breach of the master lease or the sublease) for the rent between October 21 and November 30. Now, having said all that, San Francisco?s city ordinances are very tenant-friendly, and there may be some law that gives subtenants rights when the sublandlord breaches or fails to pay. You might want to look through the SF Housing Code at http://207.250.124.121/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=95665&infobase=sanfran.nfo&softpage=Browse_Frame_Pg42. |
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Re: Subtenant rights when master tenant is evicted in SF, CA
From: curious_-ga on 22 Oct 2004 07:17 PDT |
This kind of thing depends on the tenant laws in your area. Where I live, for example, once you've been living somewhere for 3 days you can't be forcibly evicted for 30 days unless there is a court order. The court date won't likely occur for several months, and all the while there's nothing that the landlord can do (so long as you respond to the eviction notice and attempt to set the court date)... So I suggest you respond to the notice and get comfortable. |
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Re: Subtenant rights when master tenant is evicted in SF, CA
From: ipfan-ga on 22 Oct 2004 09:55 PDT |
I respectfully disagree with curious. Assuming that the sublandlord is not paying rent, you have no rights as a subtenant, even if you are paying rent to the sublandlord. Unelss the sublandlord gets current with the master landlord, you really have no rights of tenancy. Do you really want to stay on as a "squatter," just milking the system since it may take a few months for the master landlord to get an actual formal eviction notice? |
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Re: Subtenant rights when master tenant is evicted in SF, CA
From: ejesus101-ga on 28 Oct 2004 09:09 PDT |
re: ipfan, their really is no such term as 'squatter' in california law. you refer to 'milk the system' I respectfully request that if you can so easily afford two months san francisco rent please submit a donation to my ministry. thank-you. |
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Re: Subtenant rights when master tenant is evicted in SF, CA
From: ipfan-ga on 28 Oct 2004 15:13 PDT |
Dear ejesus101, Note that I was using "squatter" in the generally understood sense, e.g., as is defined at merriam-webster.com as, "one that settles on property without right or title or payment of rent." Please also see http://www.sftu.org/chronhnj.html. And actually, there are California cases recognizing "squatters" as those adversely possessing land. See, e.g., Peck v. Howard, 73 Cal.App.2d 308. Your further comment, "I respectfully request that if you can so easily afford two months san francisco rent please submit a donation to my ministry[,]" seems to be completely irrelevant to this discussion thread. Are you arguing that bogunflux is entitled to live there rent free just because SF rents are high? Dear bogunflux, I applaud your efforts to find a new dwelling. I understand that it is appealing to think you have a right of tenancy since you paid the sublandlord, but think of it from the master landlord's perspective: he has not received any money, yet you are in possession of his apartment. How is that equitable and fair to the landlord? Do you have an entitlement to live there rent free (from the master landlord's perspective)? The master landlord is trying to provide you and the sublandlord with due process as required by California law. As a purely personal matter, I find it bothersome when someone actively exploits the time allotted for due process ("milking the system.") The lesson to subtenants is obvious: your rights of tenancy are only as good as your sublandlord's rent checks to the master landlord. |
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