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Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: kay0627-ga List Price: $50.50 |
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23 Oct 2004 08:05 PDT
Expires: 22 Nov 2004 07:05 PST Question ID: 418924 |
Do you have any more input on Dr. Roger Hatcher, Aurora, Illinois, regarding court cases in Kane and DuPage Counties, Illinois? He is spinning out of control awarding all children to dads even if mom is fine. No one is stopping him. Judges rubberstamp his decisions without checking for lies. | |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: trailwalker-ga on 28 Oct 2004 08:03 PDT |
Kay 0627 I have used Dr. Hatcher Grundy County Illinois I have lost my children even though there was significated proof of abuse from the father. Dr. Hatcher dismissed it all claiming that I lied to make my ex look bad. He didnt bother with the facts that DCSF has been called (never by me) at least 6 times on my ex. He dismissed the hospital records where my child told the emergency room Doc that the dad threw him in the car. He dismissed other councilors recomendation that my children never see their father becuase of the abuse. Dr hatcher dismissed it all. Maybe I should have paid him more money Im told that the way to win with Hatcher |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: trailwalker-ga on 28 Oct 2004 08:08 PDT |
Kay 0627 Do you have any information on Dr Hatcher in Dupage of Kane County? Do you have any proof that he is no longer used? I could really use that information here in Grundy County. |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: kay0627-ga on 28 Oct 2004 12:11 PDT |
To Trailwalker, thanks for your input. I'm sorry for your troubles. I do have some info on Hatcher but nothing verified right now. I will know more soon and will contact you later. Did you get your children back? |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: kay0627-ga on 29 Oct 2004 21:01 PDT |
Thanks for the excerpt on this case. Now Grundy Co. has spoken with problems there re: our Dr. Hatcher. Please look at Grundy Co., Il. court notes, if you can, where Hatcher was involved. I understand Hatcher was dropped as a referral in DuPage Co. Can you find the date for me that he was dropped, plus reasons and by whom? That would be swell. Ditto Kane and Grundy Counties, if he was dropped by them, also. Thank you, Kay0627 |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: kay0627-ga on 30 Oct 2004 15:13 PDT |
To Pafalafa-ga, yes, keep digging, esp. the records of DuPage Co., Grundy Co. and Kane Co. to see if Hatcher has been dropped. I understand in one case, kids were awarded to the dad, who murdered his children. In another case, the mom who lost her kids because of Hatcher committed suicide. Certainly there is more info out there on this "person." It is our job to find it. Thank you. Kay0627 |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: trailwalker-ga on 01 Nov 2004 11:24 PST |
dear kay and parffaa (spelled wrong i know) The case in Grundy County was with Patrick Gleason its been about 2 years ago now there was an amber alert for the children when the dad did not return them to their mother on time. Patrick Gleason is now in a Michigan prison for the murder of his two children. Dr. Hatcher a year before they were killed recomended that these two children go live with the dad NOW THEY ARE DEAD ! and Dr. Hatcher just continues to ruin lives!!! HE needs to be stopped!!! |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: trailwalker-ga on 01 Nov 2004 11:27 PST |
Pafalfa-ga Please look up the Gleason case in Grundy County the murder made national news but no ever mentioned Dr. Hatchers involment with this case. Had he of done his job, he should have seen in some of the test that they give you what this man was like |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: justiceforchildren-ga on 07 Nov 2004 09:44 PST |
There is a lot of controversy about the well-being of the children once Judges follow Dr. Hatcher's recommendations for sole custody (99% of the time) to the fathers or changes in custody from the mothers to the fathers. I know it has been asked if cases can be found that involve Dr. Hatcher and his recommendations. Unless cases are appealled they are not published. Appellate Courts will not look at evidence presented at trial, only if the law was followed by the Judge when he made his decision. Basically the Trial Court is the Fact Finder and the Appellate Court deals only with issues of Law - was the law followed. The Appellate Court believes the Trial Court Judge was in the best position to hear the evidence and determine the significance and weight of the evidence, as well as the credibility of the witnesses, etc. So, the bottom line is if a case is not appealled, the only way of getting information about other cases is going to the Circuit Clerks office in the County in which the case was heard, pulling the file, and requesting copies that you will have to pay for. All of the cases are public record and anyone has the right to copy them, although some of the evidence may be sealed as is the Judge's notes that he took during the trial. The problem is unless you know about the case specifically you will never know it exists and therefore will never know to go and copy it. Your lawyer would have no way of knowing about it either unless he/she happened to hear about it by chance. This is how this custody evaluator seems to be getting away with his actions. A very important case, in my opinion, in Kane County is Kelli Ann Walker (now Jansen) vs. Jeffrey Ross Walker, Case No. D KA 98 597. This one will break your heart. In DeKalb County, which is part of the 16th Judicial Circuit along with Kane County, is Steven O'Brien vs. Theresa Stockero, Case No. 99 F 107. Their closing and rebuttal arguments were submitted in writing and are available to be copied by the public. There was a lot of information about Dr. Hatcher in those briefs. The ruling in this case just came out this week and this mother and her attorney were able to overcome Dr. Hatcher's recommendation. The Judge ruled that the child would remain in the custody of her mother despite Dr. Hatcher, as the Court-Appointed Custody Evaluator, recommending sole custody being changed to the father. Also, I believe Sue Smith and Patrick Gleason's case from Grundy County was already mentioned by someone here. Unfortunately those children are no longer with any of us. All three of these were Dr. Hatcher cases. Finally, I would like to make it very clear that I am not pro mother or pro father. I am pro children and their best interests. I know both mothers as well as father that should be the custodial parent. What I am against is custody evaluators destroying the lives of children in either taking bribes or fighting for father's or mother's rights. I have my opinions regarding Dr. Hatcher. I do not know how he sleeps at night. I will try to find more unpublished, local cases and will post them here so that parents can go the Courthouses and copy them if needed. Our children our innocent and deserve a loving, peaceful childhood. Let us also not forget that our children are our future. If we damage them, we are damaging our futures as well. |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: trailwalker-ga on 09 Nov 2004 11:40 PST |
to Kay and justis I am a Grundy County resident, I am going to go to the court house and try to get more information on the the Gleeson / Smith case. Namely what Dr. hatchers report had to say |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: justiceforchildren-ga on 14 Nov 2004 00:20 PST |
I have just a little information on a few other cases involving Dr. Roger Hatcher fron Apogee/PsychCare Associates in Aurora, IL. The first is from DuPage County: Gloria McQueen is suing Dr. Hatcher and/or his associates. If you go to the DuPage County Courthouse, ask to view and/or copy Case No. 00 L 00130. This case apparently was filed in 2000 and I do not know the current status. If anyone in DuPage County looks this up and finds that out, please post. The other case was a custody case in Kane County. It is about five years old. A flight attendant mother, Debbie Peterson, lost custody of their twin son and daughter to the father, an airline pilot with the same airline. This was as a result of Dr. Hatcher's recommendation that custody be given to the father. I don't have the case number, but it is Peterson vs. Peterson (I am not sure if Debbie/Deborah Peterson was the plaintiff or respondent.) It was decided five years ago, but it may have been filed a year or two before that. If I hear of anymore cases I will post here. If any reviews either of those cases, please post some of the facts here as well. Toghether we will help stop the injustices to these innocent children. |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: kelli252-ga on 17 Nov 2004 09:15 PST |
I am Kelli Jansen(Walker)the one mentioned in one of the comments. I have information about Dr. Roger Hatcher. |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: kay0627-ga on 22 Nov 2004 09:34 PST |
To Justiceforchildren, are you in touch with Stella? Just curious. Kay0627 |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: shadowmom-ga on 23 Nov 2004 08:11 PST |
I am reading all of this and am amazed at my luck. I had an attorney in Grundy County, Morris, IL who strongly urged me to contact Dr. Hatcher IMMEDIATELY for a custody evaluation. Thank god I did not. I tried to contact this Dr several times when finally his secretary said to me, did Randy show you the video tape of Dr. Hatcher? I said no. Evidently there is a video tape of Hatcher that he supplies to attorney's on his custody evaluations. My attorney's name was Randolph Gordon of Morris IL. Please steer clear of this guy in custody situations. I have a letter from him telling me that I am being accused of PAS and according to Illinois Law, the recommendation is to switch custody. That is not the law. He tried to scare me into seeing this guy. Now I know why, it would make his job easier. Hatcher would have recommended a change in custody, and that would be the end of it. But I fooled them all. I did not see this doctor, only because he told me that I needed $6000 cash. I explained to him that I had two major medical insurances that covered psychological visits and he told me that I still needed $6000 cash, a big red flag to me. Anyone using this attorney? Let me know and I will show you the two letters I received from him. |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: kay0627-ga on 23 Nov 2004 15:26 PST |
To shadowmom, thanks for joining in. How can I get this video? It might help our case. Thanks for the head's up on your lawyer. Kay0627 |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: shadowmom-ga on 23 Nov 2004 21:31 PST |
I am new here, so I don't know how we get together to trade information. All I know is that Dr. Hatcher has a video of himself that he supplies to local attorneys about his custody evaluations. Randy Gordon took $500 from me as a retainer with a agreement (nothing in writing)that I pay him $500 every two weeks to represent me. He failed to file in court his appearance as my attorney (another red flag), did not prepare for court, he wrote me two letters denying me expert witnesses, and refused to supbeona my witnesses, he told me to just have them show up in court (this is in writing). When we went to court, he never showed up and the judge called him from the courtroom. He told the judge that I owed him money so he would not represent me. All along he knew that I was not stupid and he could not pull the wool over my eyes. Too many "red flags" where this attorney was concerned. Please, please, please, if you are in a custody battle do not use this guy. He will rob you blind and do nothing, I have two letters signed by him to prove it. I don't know how anyone can get this video. Perhaps someone could go to Gordon's office under the pretense of needing an attorney, say that Hatcher's secretary asked if you viewed the video of Dr. Hatcher and ask to see it. Or have the news do it. They go undercover all the time for stories, why not this one? I heard the Tribune is doing something on the lines of Hatcher. I know someone in Grundy county that had Hatcher as a custody evaluator and he recommended she lose custody of her son, she has not been to court yet. How do we all connect here? This is the only page I have visited. Is there a home page somewhere where there is a link to email each other? I don't want to give my email here. |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: shadowmom-ga on 23 Nov 2004 21:35 PST |
Or better yet, anyone have an attorney willing to contact Hatcher saying that he was recommended by several attorneys to use him as a custody evaluator and ask if he has any information that can be provided as to what he does. Maybe he will send them a copy of this video. Just a thought |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: fighting4her-ga on 30 Nov 2004 12:27 PST |
I have been going through a custody battle and divorce from my ex for almost 3years now. I had an evaluation done by a court appointed evaluator, who stated that my husband is a womanizer and that my daughter would never grow up with a good self esteem about herself as a girl if he was given custody. There are other reasons listed as well as to why I should be awarded custody. So my ex than stated that he wanted his own evaluation done, and he chose Dr. Hatcher (I now see why). This was unusual to me at the time because we both reside in McHenry, Illinois and our case is in the McHenry Co. Courts. I just found out the day before Thanksgiving, that Dr. Hatcher is siding with my ex. We still have not seen the report. I have court in Dec. and am looking for any information that will help me discredit him. I am learning a lot from what I am reading here, and it saddens me so to find out that my daughter, who wants to be with her mommy, is being used as a pawn against me. If Dr. Hatcher has been suspended or his license has been suspended please let me know. I am looking for just about anything at this stage of the game. |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: kay0627-ga on 30 Nov 2004 13:28 PST |
For Palafa, can you tell me what courts the cases you noted are from? I would love to read each case. How did you find these? Many of these could be useful. Thanks, Kay0627 |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: kay0627-ga on 06 Dec 2004 11:52 PST |
My lawyer just left a message saying she called Hatcher for the tape and he denies its' existence. So that ends that! Kay0627 |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: fighting4her-ga on 06 Dec 2004 16:02 PST |
I am still waiting for my report from Hatcher. It seems it must be taking him some time to figure out what to write about me. I finished my evaluation with him on Sept. 28th, his office called my lawyer Nov. 24th to let us know that he was siding with my ex, and yet I still haven't physically received the report. Hmmmm..... |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: kay0627-ga on 07 Dec 2004 07:22 PST |
To Fighting4her, do you think he's changing his stance? I wonder if he knows we're watching him. I'd love for him to get hot under the collar. Kay0627 |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: shadowmom-ga on 07 Dec 2004 08:13 PST |
Isn't it amazing that he does not have a "copy" of himself on tape? I think that someone has to come up with a ploy to get this tape because it DOES exist. It is just figuring out how to get it. Yes, he has to know we are watching him. Do you know this guy is out for the money and only the money. How old is he anyway? Maybe he will do what the nutbag Richard Gardner did to himself. I couldn't even get an appointment with this guy until I had $6,000. What does that tell you? Thank god I didn't have the money, and more thank gods, that the judge didn't order him as a custody evaluator in our case. I have heard his name being tossed around in the hallways of our courthouse and I shudder everytime I hear someone say it. What can we do to "catch him" in lies? Perhaps we could go to him with the pretense that we need a custody evaluation and video him? Why is no one using undercover video taping of his sessions with him? I record everything with everyone involved in my custody case. That way when they say something different, I bring it to their attention that I have recorded what they said and ask them to verify that they said something different. This usually backs them off. I know it is illegal in Illinois, but hey, no one and I mean no one, is going to lie and make me lose my child. |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: fighting4her-ga on 07 Dec 2004 18:54 PST |
Kay, I wish that were the case. Just got my report today, he says that my ex is more psychologically stable than myself. I am going to another psychologist and getting a 3rd set of tests done. The 1st evaluator says I'm fine, Hatcher says I'm unstable, guess I'll just have to prove him wrong and get another test!;) Wish me luck guys, got pretrial on Friday! |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: shadowmom-ga on 07 Dec 2004 19:37 PST |
I don't know who your first evaluator was, but Dr. David Finn from Rolling Meadows is excellent, also, someone I would strongly recommend is Dr. James Dugo. He runs the "male batterers" program from Cook County. You would have to look him up on the internet as I don't have his address right now. But Dr. Finn is excellent too. Dr. Doreen Salina of Chicago is excellent too, she testified at my hearing. She will work with you on payments also. Good luck and let me know who you decide to go to. Can you tell us who your first evaluator was? Someday I may be in this nightmare again and need an evaluator. Good luck to you, I will say a prayer for you. |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: kay0627-ga on 08 Dec 2004 08:07 PST |
Someone's case involved the husband carrying a fake gun in his waistband. Please see today's Tribune, 12/8, headline re: fake guns and how real they appear. This might help, who knows? |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: kay0627-ga on 08 Dec 2004 08:09 PST |
Fighting4her, good luck on Friday. See earlier post re: good evaluators. Looks like we need to start a fund to help moms like you pay the bills. We need an angel! Kay0627 |
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Cook County, Illinois, evaluator
From: considerthechildren-ga on 13 Dec 2004 00:05 PST |
I have heard about Dr. Hatcher and it is well known that he bias against mothers. I too had a biased custody evaluator in Cook County, IL by the name of Rober Puls. He originally recommended sole custody to me, the mother, based on psychologist testing and collateral contacts. In his findings he concluded that the father had no prior knowledge of his children (i.e., medical records, school history)even though he was married and living with his family for 14 years. The father just chose not to make himself available. After the evaluations came out, the judge in our case said that the father could not get joint custody of the children unless the mother agrees to joint. A "hired gun" was then appointed to the case to conduct "family counseling" even though she was not qualified. She worked in the same office and same suite as the evaluator. The father's attny then entered an order to the court alleging that the mother was a "parental alienator." This same evaluator, Robert Puls, Psy.D., then conducted a one hour interview, less than 6 months later, with no testing and concluded in his updated report that the mother was accused of Parental Alienation Syndrome without any evidence to support this. He then recommeded to the courts that the father should have custody of the children and the mother should move out of the marital residence. Robert Puls has destroyed our lives. He altered our lives forever. He was then arrested this year (3/04) for a DUI. How can a custody evaluator who has a substance abuse problem make determinations on the best interest of the children? The mother lost everything as a direct result of this evaluator. He sold my children out for $3,000! Are there any other mothers effected by this evaluator? |
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Re: Custody evaluator in DuPage and Kane Co., Illinois
From: kay0627-ga on 13 Dec 2004 09:19 PST |
Consider the children, I am truely sorry to hear of your troubles. Thank you for sharing your story. Are you appealing this case? Please keep us posted on your situation. Kay0627 |
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Custody evaluator in Cook County, Illinois
From: considerthechildren-ga on 13 Dec 2004 12:26 PST |
Kay, I am currently in the appeal process. My case was put into De Novo as a threat so that I would never contest custody. However, I did turn around and appeal the case. It is in the lower courts. I retained a great attny who managed to appeal the case based only on the evidence and not on any "expert witnesses." Based on the evidence and now 2 1/2 yrs later, I am now getting sole custody of my children. It has cost me over $120,000 and the loss of my home to appeal the damage that Robert Puls has done. Our family courts don't need these evaluators involved in our cases! These evaluators are destroying our families. |
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