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Thinking in the shower
Category: Science Asked by: deannamichelle-ga List Price: $2.50 |
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14 Nov 2004 12:59 PST
Expires: 14 Dec 2004 12:59 PST Question ID: 428860 |
Why do some people think better (or come up with good ideas) in the shower? I'm not looking for someone's guess, as I have a few theories myself, but would like information on research done in this area, or several well-educated, thought-out proposals on the reason(s). |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: pinkfreud-ga on 14 Nov 2004 13:29 PST |
I don't know of any studies on this phenomenon. It seems to me that the "white noise" effect of the water might be a factor, since it essentially neutralizes distracting environmental sounds that are normally present in our daily lives. |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: iang-ga on 14 Nov 2004 15:34 PST |
Is there any proof that this phenomenon even exists? Ian G. |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: steph53-ga on 14 Nov 2004 17:01 PST |
I use "white noise" when going to bed... I always have a fan going ( not pointed at me during winter ). The *noise* helps me to fall alseep against any distractions.... Steph53 |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: crabcakes-ga on 14 Nov 2004 17:25 PST |
For what it's worth, deannamichelle, *I* think better in the shower too and wondered about this myself! I've often wished I had a waterproof dictaphone so I could record my ideas! For myself, I agree with pinkfreud, and the fact that it's the place where only very young people disturb me, giving me actual time to think! crabcakes |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: mysteryreader-ga on 14 Nov 2004 17:55 PST |
You may be interested in reading some of Edward de Bono's books about Lateral Thinking, Six Thinking Hats and Creative Problem Solving. The link here has a list of creative theorists and summaries of their key points. It mentions "Incubation" - a time after initial fact-finding or problem description when no active work / conscious thought is focused on the situation. And the "aha" moment. http://kycreative.mis.net/creativity.htm Based on personal work experience with computer programming teams and also volunteer non-profit groups, I think "solved it while in the shower" is a very common event (about equally common is the "figured it out while driving to/from work" event), and that these could be classified among the incubation-time occurances. |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: frde-ga on 15 Nov 2004 00:30 PST |
I've often noticed that I've solved problems in the shower. I put it down to a variation of 'the Drowning Effect' - when someone is immersed in cold water, the body rushes blood to the brain. - this allows people to survive rather longer than one would expect A variation of this is splashing cold water on ones head/face I have long suspected that a warm shower has a similar effect. |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: platonist-ga on 15 Nov 2004 02:41 PST |
But how does a warm/hot shower replicate the effects of cold water drowning. doesn't the blood rush away from your brain? Great question though, and neat theories. |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: frde-ga on 15 Nov 2004 05:21 PST |
I am not sure that it is just the temperature. Also jumping into a freezing torrent would stimulate most people to jump right out again, rather than cogitate. Water can also be useful to getting people to urinate ... |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: biophysicist-ga on 15 Nov 2004 07:15 PST |
Do those people who think of good ideas in the shower spend any time thinking in other locations? A controlled study would compare shower thought to non-shower thought. My suspicion is that busy people have relatively little undistracted non-shower thought. |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: zn833-ga on 15 Nov 2004 09:08 PST |
Just a side note, the man who came up with the idea to fix the hubble space telescope did so in the shower. The main reason for that, however, is that he based the design of the repair on the design of the shower head. |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: frizbeeboy-ga on 15 Nov 2004 09:28 PST |
I wanted to comment on the drowning theory...i would agree the body does respond to certain environmental factors in a set pattern due to our genetic makeup etc, however in this case doesnt the body know it is not drowning...it is not until the body truely fears that it goes into such a cascade of events...and i think i agree with the idea that hot and cold plays a role...is the bodies natural reaction also to send blood to the periphery to regulate temperature...just some thoughts...as of now i got nothing to back it up...maybe if things get all "heated" here i will do some searching on my schools databases...ben |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: frizbeeboy-ga on 15 Nov 2004 09:40 PST |
Here is an abstract of a fairly relivent article... Changes of laboratory markers of cognitive brain function by thermostimuli in the elderly*1 Thorsten J. Doering MD, a, , Janina Thiela, Birgit Steuernagel MDa, Soenke Johannes PhDb, Alfred Breulla, Christina Niederstadt MDa, Bertold Schneider PhDc and Gisela C. Fischer PhDa a Clinic for Studies/Rehabilitation, Medical University Hannover, Hannover, Germany b Department of Neurology, Medical University Hannover, Hannover, Germany c Department of Biometry, Medical University Hannover, Hannover, Germany Received 7 July 1998; accepted 10 December 1998. Available online 25 May 2004. Abstract Objective: Plain external applications of physical stimuli, which are used quite commonly in geriatric care in Germany, have not been studied for their influence on cognitive brain function. The aim of this randomized crossover study was to examine the influence of dermatoreceptive stimuli on cognitive brain function in healthy geriatric volunteers. Methods: Twenty-four healthy volunteers (23 women, 1 man) were randomized into two groups (crossover design). Group A (mean age, 68.8 ± 6.2 [SD] years) was treated with a 10°C to 12°C cold stimulus for 10 seconds (a so-called "Kneipp face shower"), followed by a cold 10°C to 12°C wetpack at the neck for 1 minute. Group B (mean age, 69.8 ± 5.3 [sd]years) was subjected to an identical procedure but with warm to neutral temperatures of 34°C to 36°C. After 1 week the two groups were interchanged. The parameters of interest were the critical flicker frequency (CFF) and the latencies of the event-related P-300 potentials of the visual evoked potentials (VEP), which can be considered an electroencephalographic marker of the cognitive functional ability. The CFFs and the P-300 latencies and amplitudes were measured directly both before and 10 minutes after the application of the respective stimuli. In addition, the CFFs were recorded 30 and 60 minutes later. Results: After cold water stimuli were applied, the CFF increased from 32.55 ± 2.26/sec (mean ± SD) to 33.06 ± 2.25/sec (p = .003) 10 minutes after the stimulus. Thirty minutes later the CFF was still elevated at 32.95 ± 2.3/sec (p = .043). The P-300 latencies, after cold water application, decreased by 4.8% (p < .001), from 266.5 ± 21.lmsec (mean ± SD) to 253.7 ± 16.9msec. After warm stimuli they increased from 258.69 ± 14.8msec to 266.17 ± 20.lmsec (p = .01). The P-300 amplitudes were significantly elevated, by 5% (p = .004), only after cold stimuli. Conclusion: Cold water applied locally to the face and neck region can provoke significant changes in electroencephalographic markers as measured by an electroencephalographic marker (VEP and P-300 latency) and, by inference, may help to improve cognitive function in the elderly. Corresponding author. Reprint requests to Dr. Thorsten J. Doering, Medical University Hannover, Clinic for Studies (OE 5440), Carl Neuberg Str. 1, 30625 , Hannover, , Germany. |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: frde-ga on 16 Nov 2004 02:01 PST |
frizbeeboy Nice research paper. Anout the 'drowning reaction', a long time as kids, at school we were shown an experiment where one of us had to lie on a plank balanced on some pivot. First the subject was told to do some fairly complicated mental arithmetic, the plank tilted towards the head, then the subject was told to do imagine that they were running, and the plank tilted to the feet. The 'body' certainly knew that it was not running. There is another factor, the warm water effect, which I sort of knew about, but read about here recently. To stimulate healing of a boil, it is recommended to put a warm/hot compress on the area, this opens the capilliaries and stimulates blood flow to the area. Personally I reckon that the 'shower effect' is a combination of factors, but that increased blood flow to the brain comes into it. |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: bathrocks-ga on 17 Nov 2004 16:50 PST |
I'd like to add that taking a warm shower is very relaxing too, and when I'm relaxed I find it much easier to think creatively. Re: cold showers - I can't stand them, and never have them by choice - hence am not relaxed and don't think! Mike :-) |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: synaptic_sunshower-ga on 18 Nov 2004 08:19 PST |
I do a lot of thinking in the shower too, and I think I find answers in the shower out of a necessity to expend energy. I have some/lots of energy, and while out of the shower i expend my shower on eating, cleaning stuff up, more snacking, some light a cigarette, talking to people, looking at the list of things to do at work, and sometimes even doing work. While working, if I hit a difficult problem, I'll direct my energy towards researching, avoiding, procrastinating or simply finding other work to do. If I have to find an answer and time is running out, the energy is directed into stress and frantic wheel-spinning by typing out prototypes, looking for workarounds or simply trying that idea that 'should have worked'. While in the shower, its just you. Theres no TV, theres no cigarettes, fridge, or even clothing to fiddle with while avoiding/working on the problem. You can't 'try that solution that should've worked' again, you can't research anymore. This is forced incubation. If you don't have the discipline to sit still for 15 minutes at your desk and think through a problem, the shower is an excellent problem solver. This also applies to travelling around - as long as theres nothing interesting to look at, no maniacs to avoid on the road and nothing terribly interesting out the window... eventually your brain will either focus entirely on a problem with all its might in an effort to find a solution, or it'll start oozing those creative juices out of your ears... the energy has to go somewhere. |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: fractl-ga on 18 Nov 2004 13:36 PST |
If you think a shower is a good way to solve problems...try a bath. The majority of the projects/essays I had to do in HS were (at least partially) completed in the bath. I believe you get the same results as a shower but the added opportunity to record your thought without getting a really soggy paper. White noise isn?t much of a factor for me...I think the lack of distractions and perhaps even the warm water is enough to get me to work. I was quite disappointed when I went to college and found out that there were only the communal shower stalls to use. I can confidently blame all my bad grades on that :P I also find the moments lying in bed before and after sleep to be quite stimulating. I came up with some really revolutionary ideas right before falling asleep (can't recall what they were for the life of me, though). |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: flajason-ga on 21 Nov 2004 07:31 PST |
When taking a shower, I think most people have a fairly regular routine. i.e., soak the hair, shampoo, rinse the hair, lather the arms, then the torso, then the back, then the legs, etc. This is a fairly automated task brought on by years of conditioning, and during that time the conscious mind is not focused on coordinating motor skills or planning. You are pretty much on auto-pilot. This is my theory of why people are also more creative when performing a simple hobby that they enjoy. Over the years they have developed a level of proficiency in their chosen hobby that allows their mind to go blank and ponder on other topics that normally would not receive much attention during other activities. I would venture that if you placed someone in the shower that had taken baths all their lives, they would not find it as mentally stimulating as the rest of us 'pro' showerers, as they would need to dedicate more concentration on the actual act of showering itself. And for what it's worth, this theory was conceived while showering... |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: cameron_g_cooke-ga on 24 Nov 2004 02:24 PST |
Yes, people do think better in the shower because the water falling from the shower head causes the air to become staticly charged which causes all the dust particles in the viscinity to clump together and fall to the ground. A simmiler effect can be observed with a thunderstorm where the water causes the air to be charged and you get lighting. After the storm there is hardly any polution in the air because all of the particles have clumped and fallen to the Ground.This causes you to breath more freely and thus take in a higher persentage of oxygen form that atmosphere. You would then relax and be able to think Freely. |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: xaviar-ga on 28 Nov 2004 19:23 PST |
I think that Descartes' whole "cogito, ergo, sum," thing might have some relevance, here. It's just that when you get rid of other distractions, your mind wanders. For those that don't know, if I recall correctly, it goes something like this: Descartes locked himself away without any distractions for an extended period of time, to see what would happen. He came away from the experiment with the thought "Cogito, ergo sum," or "I think, therefore I am." |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: tobytyler-ga on 30 Nov 2004 05:43 PST |
I recently read an interesting book called "A Technique for Producing Ideas" by JW Young (1940). It is a small book, republished as an advertising classic by McGraw-Hill. I would paraphrase Young's steps as 1) Explore inside the square thoroughly; 2) Think outside the square; 3) Search for new relationships between the ideas from 1) and 2); 4) Think till exhausted; 5) Sleep on it to allow the subconscious mind to examine new relationships; 6) The Eureka moment (in the shower); 7) Application of the idea. He claims that the Eureka moment requires all 5 prior steps. Lastly, I am reminded of an old saying: "Everyone who has taken a shower has come up with a bright idea, but the crucial step is to act on that idea". |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: toliman-ga on 03 Dec 2004 09:40 PST |
i tend to like tobytyler's answer to the question, but i don't believe it has anything to do with temperature, electrostatic discharge of ateam, chlorine & hydroxide in the steam produced, etc. it has more to do with activity in the nervous system, the good old brain, engaged in alpha/theta brainwave states. so it's more to do with the white noise, the abundant amount of sensations in the CNS as the mind switches from an alert, active state, 'beta' into a non-aroused 'alpha' stage, the limbic system in the brain performs the usual shower related activities, scrubbing, breathing, standing, rinsing etc., while the neocortex is aroused with incoherent data that is not being matched into patterns or associations, it simply stimulates the brain into activity that is likely not connected to the input stimuli, creating new thought processes that are non-linear, or not pattern associated, i.e. creative thinking. alpha/theta states in the brain are symptoms of daydreaming, commonly associated with automatic function of various behaviour, jogging/driving, performing repetitive tasks, listening to long speeches, lectures, non-interactive processes, standing in line, or just performing tasks with no higher brain functions. the brain cools off, and switches into the alpha state. within this "1st gear" of the brain, unconscious behaviour performs tasks while the higher functions are disconnected from the sensory part of the brain to reconstitute patterns and associations. unfortunately, there's not a lot you can do to study the neurological effects of theta waves, people are usually non-communicative when in a relaxed mental state. since it's fringe/alternate medicine issue as well, that hypes up the value of theta/alpha states to some questionable edification. interesting theories and material about sensory deprivation / floatation tanks has similar effects to showering @ http://www.oceanfloatrooms.com/7_theories.htm IMO, its likely due to the stimuli of water hitting the skin, a repetitive sensation, the white noise sound of the water as indecipherable noise, the temperature of the water also being at a comfortable level, increases the comfortable feeling that one associates with a shower, the sensation of relaxation once the brain has started to switch states into that daydream, alpha stage starts to trigger endorphins to further the relaxing process. as the sensory cortex starts to assign value to the sensation and assign recognition and cognition to the sensory data, it finds no need for the higher functions to operate when there's no immediate cognition, just repetitive stimulation, the brain recognises as a sign to just turn off for a while. still, the brain is bombarded with sensations it then has to assign meaning - the pattern matching part of the brain is trying to discern meaning and patterns to the data being processed, while the rest of the brain is in a non aroused state, the sensations are fed into the creative side of the brain, disconnected from the 'left brain' logic and cognitive process, and fed into the 'right brain' sensory and association parts of the brain. something like that. |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: whatsup_342-ga on 30 Dec 2004 16:01 PST |
According to my opinion, people think more than in the showers because the environment in the bathtub or the shower is enclosed and is "away" from "normal life". When you are in a "normal environment" such as a room or outdoors, you have more stuff to do and complete such things as unfinished tasks. But when you get away from such setting into a much more controlled and regular setting such as a shower or riding on the bus alone, you have nothing to do except think and think because you are already used to seeing and feeling the environment you are in, so after some 100 times of regular visits causes you to think more about other, more important things such as life and other *Einstein* branded brilliant ideas. |
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Re: Thinking in the shower
From: whatsup_342-ga on 30 Dec 2004 16:03 PST |
I think... It has nothing to do with water and other chemicals. :) |
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