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Subject: OVER SENSITIVE MOUTH
Category: Health
Asked by: hung2207-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 13 Jan 2006 14:39 PST
Expires: 12 Feb 2006 14:39 PST
Question ID: 433049
Problem: very senitive teeth, some exposed root, mouth
inflammation...its been going on and off for 8-9 months...Its
affecting what I can eat...and PAIN is a problem

Treatments Tried:  flossing and brushing teeth, regular dental cleaning,
desensitizing liquids put on by dentist but limited success and often falls off.
Even Sensodyne toothpaste is irritating right now.  Should say
partials are being worn.

Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 13 Jan 2006 17:07 PST
hung2207...

Believe it or not, brushing with soap may be the solution!
I have personally been doing this for over a year, and 
have noticed a significant decrease in the sensitivity of
my teeth. I started this as an experiment based on some
Dr.'s suggestion on some website which I can't currently
locate, but it stated that, among the many benefits of 
brushing with soap was the fact that it would allow the
enamel to repair it self over time, and my experimentation
seems to have borne this out.

There are some references to this practice and some
explanations of the reasoning behind it - such as on
the site of a Dr. Judd, who sells a book which gives
more details than his site:
http://www.leviticus11.com/goodt.htm

There is a product called Tooth Soap which gets rave
reviews from those who use it:
http://www.fredericpatenaude.com/toothsoap.html

Here's another page on his site where he quotes Dr. Judd:

"According to Dr. Gerald Judd, Ph.D: 'Reenamelization of
 the teeth occurs when they are clean. All toothpastes
 make a barrier of glycerine on the teeth which would
 require 20 rinses to get it off. A good solution for
 clean teeth, which I have used for 5 years, is bar soap.
 Wet the brush, swipe the bar two or three times with it,
 then brush the teeth thoroughly and the gums gently.
 Rinse with water three or four times. All oils are
 washed off the teeth and the gums are disinfected. The
 bacteria are killed by the soap. The teeth are then ready
 for reenamelization with calcium and phosphate in the diet.'
 It goes without saying that bar brushing the teeth with
 bar soap is not very appetizing. This is why I have made
 available an excellent tooth soap, on my website:
 www.puredentalhealth.com"
http://www.fredericpatenaude.com/rightorraw.html


While I would agree that the average soap out there is
too "tangy" to make using it as toothpaste a comfortable
experience, I did some experimentation and found that 
some health food stores sell handmade soaps that lack
the "bite" which typical soaps have, and are very well
tolerated while brushing. I don't recall the particular
brand I use at the moment, but I know where to find it
in the Wild Oats health food store where I buy it.

I use a Water-Pik after brushing with the soap, which
works as well as flossing to remove detritus missed by
brushing, as far as I can tell, and rinses any trace
of remaining soap quite thoroughly.

I won't post this as a formal answer, due to the unusual
nature of the solution, and your inability to evaluate
its utility in a short time, but if you try it out in
the next 30 days, and feel any improvement (I did, in
that length of time), please let me know, and I'll post
this as a formal answer.

sublime1-ga

Clarification of Question by hung2207-ga on 13 Jan 2006 19:41 PST
I am not sure what information you want.  I do want to add that the
corners of my mouth are red and my lips sore so I am not sure I could
use soap to brush my teeth! This is my first try at asking a Google
question.

Request for Question Clarification by umiat-ga on 13 Jan 2006 21:27 PST
The first thing I thought of when I read your question was a potential
deficiency of B vitamins. If I were you, I would try a good
full-complex B-vitamin supplement in addition to a general
vitamin-mineral supplement and see what happens after a few weeks.
Have a look at the following link and the specific B vitamins that
affect the mouth and lips.
B2 - inflammation in the mouth, a sore and burning tongue, and cracks
on the lips and in the corners of the mouth.
http://www.vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-deficiency.php
B-6 - cracked and sore lips, inflamed tongue and mouth 
http://www.vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-B6-pyridoxine.php
 Just a thought. It certainly can't hurt!

Request for Question Clarification by umiat-ga on 13 Jan 2006 21:28 PST
sorry - that first link ran into the next line and doesn't work. Here it is
http://www.vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-deficiency.php

Clarification of Question by hung2207-ga on 15 Jan 2006 15:28 PST
I am new at this but realize now that I should have been clearer about
my question.  I should have said, "How can I decrease pain and have
less sensitive teeth?  This has to do with soft tissue as well as the
teeth themselves.  How can I find other reputable information that
might work that I haven't tried yet. I would like some sites. I'm 
looking for more hard data or perhaps journals published on this
topic.

I was told by my chiropractor who is knowledgeable in nutrition that I
have cheilosis (B2 shortage) and have taken l00mg. of Vitamin  B2 and
25 mg. of Vitamin B complex.  I did not include this because a friend
thought that would
complicate things.  I would think more information on B2 deficiencies
might be helpful, and how long it takes for it to resolve.

TO:  hardtofindbook,
Here in Canada the medical system is a mess so doctors consider only
serious things worthy of treatment, at least this is the impression
I've gotten from two doctors and the media.  Furthermore, doctors are
not particularly knowledgeable about nutrition.  So I have not gone to
the doctor.  Diet is as normal as I can make it given a sore mouth. 
Joint pain but probably from
arthritis and gums occasionally bleed.
Answer  
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Subject: Re: OVER SENSITIVE MOUTH
From: hardtofindbooks-ga on 13 Jan 2006 20:25 PST
 
Have you seen a doctor in addition to dentist?
Is your diet normal? Intake of fresh fruit & vegatables?
Any other bodily symptoms; rashes, joint pain, bleeding, weakness,
gastrointestinal symptoms, weight loss, neurological signs?
Subject: Re: OVER SENSITIVE MOUTH
From: hung2207-ga on 15 Jan 2006 15:29 PST
 
Here in Canada the medical system is a mess so doctors consider only
serious things worthy of treatment, at least this is the impression
I've gotten from two doctors and the media.  Furthermore, doctors are
not particularly knowledgeable about nutrition.  So I have not gone to
the doctor.  Diet is as normal as I can make it given a sore mouth. 
Joint pain but probably from
arthritis and gums occasionally bleed.
Subject: Re: OVER SENSITIVE MOUTH
From: hardtofindbooks-ga on 16 Jan 2006 20:31 PST
 
It is just that as has been noted subsequently, some of your symptoms
are not inconsistent with some B group vitamin deficiencies, or even
vitamin C deficiency, although that is usually assosciated with
hypertrophic spongy gum disease.
Vitamin deficiencies can exist even given normal nutritional intakes
in the presence of malabsorptive states and serious liver disease.
It still might be advisible to try and find a doctor with an interest
in nutrition to check you out.

Good luck.
Subject: Re: OVER SENSITIVE MOUTH
From: nickeltitanium-ga on 28 Feb 2006 18:11 PST
 
I would like to recommend increase your vertical dimensions on your
dentures. Is your denture more than 5 years old?  Also, you must clean
your partial dentures on a daily basis.  It is necessary to leave the
dentures out of your mouth during bedtime to allow the soft tissue to
recuperate.  Most likely, you have a reoccuring infection, such as
angular cheilitis.

Therapeutic protocols for angular cheilitis include the following
topical antifungal medications:

Rx: Mycelex (Clotrimazole) cream. 
Rx: Mycolog (Nystatin) cream. 
Rx: Vioform-HC, cream. 
Rx: Nizoral (Ketoconazole) cream 2%. 
Rx: Miconazole ointment 2%. 
Rx: Nystatin ointment 100,000 U/gr. 
For all the above prescriptions 
Disp: 1 tube, 15 gm. 
Sig: Apply to affected area 4 times a day.

http://www.dent.ucla.edu/pic/members/oralaids/fungal/cheilitis.html

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