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Subject: scam or not?
Category: Business and Money > eCommerce
Asked by: wezwell-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 18 Jan 2006 23:59 PST
Expires: 17 Feb 2006 23:59 PST
Question ID: 435307
Hi. I need information on these companies/website.. whether they are
legitimate or just another scam.
http://www.lowbudgetresellers.com
http://www.myservices2u.biz/

Thanks.
Answer  
Subject: Re: scam or not?
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 19 Jan 2006 02:10 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hi again, wezwell...

www.lowbudgetresellers.com

According to the registration of this site on AllWhoIs.com
the Registrant, Administrative contact and Technical contact
is:

   Jeremy Torjak (dell4589@yahoo.com)
   +1.6044304588
   Fax: 
   478 Independence
   Morgantown,  
   US

The use of a yahoo email address instead of an address based
on the website, e.g., dell@lowbudgetresellers.com, is not a
good sign. The email address with which he registered is
the same as the one given on the website contact page:
http://www.lowbudgetresellers.com/page/page/2343625.htm

However, the fax number on that page is not provided in
the website registration records, above, and is from a 
different location. Area code 604, with a 430 extension,
as provided in the website registration, is from Vancouver,
Canada, and is not found in a WhitePages search:
http://www.thedirectory.org/cgi-bin/phonedb/lookup1.cgi

The 304 area code on the contact page is from West Virginia:
://www.google.com/search?q=area+code+304


The address provided (with only the city of Morgantown, and
no state), is not found in the White Pages in any of the 
states that have a city named Morgantown:

Morgantown, IN
Morgantown, KY
Morgantown, MD
Morgantown, MS
Morgantown, PA
Morgantown, WV
http://www.whitepages.com/10001/search/Reverse_Address?housenumber=478&street=Independence&city_zip=Morgantown&state_id=United+States


The website is registered for only one year:

Creation date: 21 Aug 2005 14:27:02
Expiration date: 21 Aug 2006 14:27:02


A search for Jeremy Torjak only turns up the fact that someone
with the same name likes yahoo email addresses, and wants:
"16" or 17" 2002 4runner Wheels and tires"
http://forums.vmag.com/suvwanted/messages/3613.html


A search for his current email address, dell4589@yahoo.com,
seems to confirm his story of being a power-seller on eBay,
and that he seeks to buy at wholesale for resale:
http://www.minidiscussion.com/boards/purchasing/index.cgi?read=11157

Further, there is a power-seller on ebay under the name
of JT Enterprise, as implied by "Posted By: JT ENT 
<dell4589@yahoo.com>" in the post above:
http://stores.ebay.com/JT-Enterprise

So he does have a good reputation as a power-user on eBay:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=bootle15070_0&iid=7212309662&frm=284

But if the same individual is now operating on his own,
outside the bounds of the protection offered by eBay, I
would suggest negotiating with him from eBay, rather than
his website.



www.myservices2u.biz

Registrant 

Name:                             GISOL INC
Organization:                     GISOL, Inc.
Address1:                         807 N. Gardner St.
City:                             Los Angeles
State/Province:                   CA
Postal Code:                      90046
Country:                          United States
Country Code:                     US
Phone Number:                     +1.13238529059
Facsimile Number:                 +1.13236551151
Email:                            domains@gisol.com

Administrative 

Contact ID:                   DOT-CP1DHIJUGYE6
Contact Name:                 GISOL INC
Contact Organization:         GISOL, Inc.
Contact Address1:             807 N. Gardner St.
Contact City:                 Los Angeles
Contact State/Province:       CA
Contact Postal Code:          90046
Contact Country:              United States
Contact Country Code:         US
Contact Phone Number:         +1.13238529059
Contact Facsimile Number:     +1.13236551151
Contact Email:                domains@gisol.com

Billing 

Contact ID:                          DOT-DQKD8M3E47DB
Contact Name:                        GISOL INC
Contact Organization:                GISOL, Inc.
Contact Address1:                    807 N. Gardner St.
Contact City:                        Los Angeles
Contact State/Province:              CA
Contact Postal Code:                 90046
Contact Country:                     United States
Contact Country Code:                US
Contact Phone Number:                +1.13238529059
Contact Facsimile Number:            +1.13236551151
Contact Email:                       domains@gisol.com

Technical 

Contact ID:                        DOT-RL0MOZSJEXRL
Contact Name:                      GISOL INC
Contact Organization:              GISOL, Inc.
Contact Address1:                  807 N. Gardner St.
Contact City:                      Los Angeles
Contact State/Province:            CA
Contact Postal Code:               90046
Contact Country:                   United States
Contact Country Code:              US
Contact Phone Number:              +1.13238529059
Contact Facsimile Number:          +1.13236551151
Contact Email:                     domains@gisol.com

Domain Registration Date:          Sun Aug 28 01:39:33 GMT 2005
Domain Expiration Date:            Sun Aug 27 23:59:59 GMT 2006
Domain Last Updated Date:          Tue Oct 25 19:24:21 GMT 2005


As you can see, this website is also only registered for a year,
and it's well hidden behind a hosting company called GISOL, or
Global Internet Solutions:
http://www.gisol.com/

The registration data for the website accurately matches the 
contact information on the hosting company's website:
http://www.gisol.com/contact/

And a reverse phone number search for GISOL's phone number
also yields matching results:

Jack  Spivak
807 N Gardner St
Los Angeles, CA 90046-7405
(323) 852-9059
http://www.whitepages.com/10001/search/Reverse_Phone?phone=323-852-9059

All this really tells us is that the hosting company is
upfront with its contact information.

However, a search for the contact information provided on
the website (the phone number 6012-398-8686) produces this:
://www.google.com/search?q=6012-398-8686

And brings us to a webpage on TradeKey.com which corroborates
their presence as a global company which specializes as a
distributor and wholesaler:
http://www.tradekey.com/profile_view/uid/774/MYSERVICES2U.htm

Additionally, a search for the CEO listed on that page, one
"MD KUSHAIRI", yields good results:
://www.google.com/search?q=%22MD+KUSHAIRI%22

Such as this page from TradeCoast.com:
http://myservices2u.en.tradecoast.com/

Therefore, I would tend to trust this company. The CEO is 
making an effort to publicize and legitimize the company
by publicizing itself on the web on legitimate sites.


Please do not rate this answer until you are satisfied that  
the answer cannot be improved upon by way of a dialog  
established through the "Request for Clarification" process. 

sublime1-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by wezwell-ga on 19 Jan 2006 15:21 PST
is it possible to know FOR SURE regarding the www.myservices2u.biz? I
just found out this morning that there is another company with website
http://www.ecompany2u.com/ in Malaysia as well and both these
companies have similar website design? Would it indicate scam or it
doesn't mean anything at all?

You also mentioned, quote: "The registration data for the website
accurately matches the
contact information on the hosting company's website:
http://www.gisol.com/contact/"

This actually does not mean anything in regards of the
www.myservices2u.biz itself , does it? Coz this is just the hosting
company. Sorry if this sound stupid, but I'm quite new in all of this
so need a bit more info.

Thanks.

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 19 Jan 2006 18:10 PST
wezwell...

You're correct in that the fact that the registrant's name
and contact information (in this case a hosting company)
matches their website's contact information doesn't speak
directly to the validity of the company using that host.

It does say that the hosting company is likely reputable,
and might therefore tend to try and work with more reputable
businesses, and it's certainly better than one of the other
sites I researched for you, where the registrant was not
only used to hide the business contact information, but 
was, itself, inaccurate and meant to hide the registrant's
contact information, as well.

The comment by answerfinder-ga is worth consideration, 
however, I believe the comment on the website:

"Our company are registered in Malaysia, if you are a
 genuine buyer ask us for the information we will give
 it to you by Fax or Email and you can check with our
 embassy in your country. Simple as that."

...can be understood to mean that the website at
www.myservices2u.biz may be one of several sites
or businesses which are under the umbrella of a
company of a different name which *is* officially
registered in Malaysia.

It certainly can't hurt to email them and see what
they have to say.


As for www.ecompany2u.com and its similarity to
www.myservices2u.biz, this doesn't necessarily mean
anything. It's not uncommon for a newer business to
model itself after an existing successful one, both
in terms of operation and web design. This is like
all the car dealerships that show up on a certain
street in your city. It's very likely there's some
networking among owners of similar businesses.

In this case, the CEO of myservices2u is also the
listed registrant for ecompany2u:
ALI, MOHD KUSHAIRI  md_kushairi@yahoo.com who 
identifies himself on myservices2u as MD KUSHAIRI.

The Yahoo email address doesn't inspire confidence,
but it's not unheard of. 

As for FOR SURE, it's extremely difficult to tell
about the validity of a company in another country
entirely by searchable incidentals on the internet.
It's fairly easy to add up enough negatives to prove
unreliability, but almost impossible to prove validity.

One can only surmise. If, for example, the variation
of the CEOs name in the ecompany2u registration,
ALI, MOHD KUSHAIRI, is equivalent to the person who
is accepting applications for a Business Development
Manager on the SEPAKAT COMPUTER CONSULTANT company 
from this page:

"Mohd Kushairi Ali

SEPAKAT COMPUTER CONSULTANT SDN BHD

Email : kushairi@sepakat.com.my (email resume)"

http://www.sepakat.com.my/sepakatweb/careers.htm

...then it's possible that all the websites with
which Mr. Kushairi is involved fall under the 
auspices of the web development company at
Sepakat.com, and that it is this company which
is:

"Sepakat Computer Consultant Sdn Bhd is registered
 with the MINISTRY OF FINANCE as a supplier for
 computers and a computer consultancy company
 providing services in electronic data processing;
 and is given the Bumiputra status by the ministry."
http://www.sepakat.com.my/sepakatweb/

Sadly, the website for the Companies Commission of
Malaysia has some flaws. Searching it with only the
name Sepakat, with no state specified returns 150
results, which it won't list, as there are too many.
Yet selecting each of the states from the drop-down
menu returns no results at all for Sepakat.

Entering Sepakat Computer Consultant Sdn Bhd
returns no results, because the actual listing is
Sepakat Computer Consultant SDN. BHD. That's 
just a little too picky to be of any real use.

But that company *is* registered:
http://www.ssm.com.my/name_search.php?txtco_refno=&txtco_name=Sepakat+Computer+Consultant&cmbstate=

And again, it may well be the umbrella for the sites
we're discussing. Rather than continue to conjecture,
I would simply take them up on the offer to provide
registration information by email.

sublime1-ga

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 19 Jan 2006 18:18 PST
To be more clear, I should have used the first quote provided
by answerfinder-ga:

"Myservices2u.biz is managed by a registered company in Malaysia"

This can easily mean that the company which manages that website
has a name which is totally unrelated to the name of the website,
such as Sepakat Computer Consultant SDN. BHD., for example, as
noted.
wezwell-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Good research and clarification. Thank you! :)

Comments  
Subject: Re: scam or not?
From: answerfinder-ga on 19 Jan 2006 02:40 PST
 
I note that the web site states ?Myservices2u.biz is managed by a
registered company in Malaysia?
http://www.myservices2u.biz/

It goes on to state in their FAQS page 
?Are your company registered in your country ? 

Our company are registered in Malaysia, if you are a genuine buyer ask
us for the information we will give it to you by Fax or Email and you
can check with our embassy in your country. Simple as that.?
http://www.myservices2u.biz/faq.html#15


I have searched the Companies Commission of Malaysia for a
registration for a business or company in that name there is no such
registration.
http://www.ssm.com.my/findroc.htm

You may wish to confirm this yourself and then ask them for their
company name - which for some reason they do not wish to publish on
their web site. You can then check it against this database.

answerfinder-ga
Subject: Re: scam or not?
From: rossgmann-ga on 19 Jan 2006 17:37 PST
 
Hi

For your information, there is an Independence Street, Morgantown West Virginia 

Search Engine: GOOGLE
Term: 478 Independence * Morgantown
Term: torjak, jeremy, wv

Results:
Contact person, Mr. Mr Jeremy Torjak. Country. Address, 478 Independent Ln,
Morgantown, West Virginia, United States. Phone, 1 304 6857786. Fax, US 304 N/A ...
www.openrussia.ru/catalogitems/3685/Sony-PSP-Many-Versions-US-BASED-Friendly-Service-Guaranteed.htm
- 21k - Cached - Similar pages - Remove result - Filte

Kind regards

Ross (Australia)
Subject: Re: scam or not?
From: rossgmann-ga on 19 Jan 2006 18:23 PST
 
Hi,

Me again

Search Engine:    GOOGLE
Search Term:      Intitle:myservices2u

Gives some interesting results

Kind regards

Ross (Australia)

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