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One bottle of Coca-Cola exploded (not broke) at freezing temperature
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: michael_2006-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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01 Feb 2006 07:50 PST
Expires: 03 Mar 2006 07:50 PST Question ID: 440058 |
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Re: One bottle of Coca-Cola exploded (not broke) at freezing temperature
From: azdoug-ga on 01 Feb 2006 09:12 PST |
Ice requires air. As water freezes, it sucks in air and expands to a volume larger than it was as a liquid. That's why the bottle exploded. The air gap at the top of the bottle wasn't sufficient, so it expanded and popped the plastic. As for your other bottles, they must have had access to more air - maybe there was a larger air gap, or maybe a leak at the lid. As an experiment, take 2 bottles - fill one completely with water, and fill the other one only half full. Put them both in the freezer, and you'll see that only the full one has popped. That's because there was sufficient air for expansion in the half full bottle. The stretching of the material might be plastic deformation from when the bottle expanded, right before popping. |
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Re: One bottle of Coca-Cola exploded (not broke) at freezing temperature
From: markvmd-ga on 01 Feb 2006 11:59 PST |
AzDoug, water sucks in air as it freezes? Go to the back of the class! Michael2006, the carbonated diet soda will discharge carbon dioxide as it freezes (gases are generally less soluble in liquid as temperature drops, and are far less soluble in ice). As the gas has no place to go, pressure will build up and it will eventually burst the bottle it is in. The sparkling water did not do this most likely because it is not as carbonated or possibly because the bottles were sturdier, or smaller. Joseph Priestly described a process for making carbonated water in 1772-- he lived next to a brewery-- and even played around freezing it. |
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Re: One bottle of Coca-Cola exploded (not broke) at freezing temperature
From: rracecarr-ga on 01 Feb 2006 12:10 PST |
Water does not require air to freeze. Ice is the same stuff as liquid water, just in a solid phase. If you don't believe me, fill a zip-lock baggie full of water, seal it, with no air bubble, stick it in the freezer, and see what happens (ok, I'll tell you--you get a bag of ice). As the soda freezes, it expands, pressurizing the gas (mostly CO2) above it. The bottle stretches some, but the plastic is stiffer when it's cold. When the pressure gets high enough (for a 2-liter soda bottle at -20 C it's around 10 atmospheres) the bottle ruptures. This happens very quickly, and as it does, the compressed gas expands, thowing bottle fragments. If the bottle was full of soda all the way to the lid, with no air, it would rupture during freezing, but in a very boring way, with no bang or thrown fragments. As soon as the bottle gives way, the pressure is released, because the soda (liquid or ice) is more or less incompressible. I don't know why the coke bottle failed and the mineral water ones didn't. |
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Re: One bottle of Coca-Cola exploded (not broke) at freezing temperature
From: rracecarr-ga on 01 Feb 2006 12:46 PST |
Markvmd, gases are generally less soluble in liquid as temperature drops? Might be time to join azdoug there in the back. http://antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/senese/101/solutions/faq/temperature-gas-solubility.shtml |
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Re: One bottle of Coca-Cola exploded (not broke) at freezing temperature
From: thefuzz81-ga on 01 Feb 2006 13:02 PST |
i like ice. |
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Re: One bottle of Coca-Cola exploded (not broke) at freezing temperature
From: markvmd-ga on 01 Feb 2006 20:49 PST |
Rracecarr has pointed out the folly of cut-and-paste without proofing. I pulled the parenthetical quote from a paper that referred to several gases, including carbon dioxide, and said "Such gases are...", etc. I missed the first word of the sentence and the generalization makes for quite the error! I stand by the corrected statement, however. |
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Re: One bottle of Coca-Cola exploded (not broke) at freezing temperature
From: knickers-ga on 02 Feb 2006 04:58 PST |
There are several reasons for the rupture. As already pointed out the most likely is the ice expansion combined with the high pressure from the gases. I suspect the coke has far higher CO2 level than the mineral water bottles and hence a higher pressure develops. However there could also be a factor called "Environmental Stress Cracking". This happens in plastics which are under strain and exposed to an Environmental stress raiser. This could be as simple as soap solution or a more complex chemical such as Coke. Hence the coke could have acted as stress raiser combined with the pressure from the gas and freezing. This effectively weakens the plastic and can cause premature failure. I would need to see samples of the material to determine if this was the cause. The other deformation of the bottle is probably due to the material exceeding its yeild point. When a material excedes the yeild point there is permanent deformation of the polymer chains and hence structure. Generally the yield point reduces with temperature. Hence a material with a 10% yeild at 20C may have only 5% at 0C etc. Coke bottles are made from PET. The yeild for this material is relatively low but they are quite pronounced. Once again examination of the bottle fragments could reveal something more telling. The bottle design and manufacturing conditions can also play a significant role. You mentioned the ridge on the lower part of the bottle. Its highly likely that this has acted as a stress raiser in the design and hence a potential weak point compared to the other bottles. The wall thickness and the production speed will also play a part in the overall bottle strength. If you want to know more check out www.bayworth.com They are material experts. |
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Re: One bottle of Coca-Cola exploded (not broke) at freezing temperature
From: pafalafa-ga on 02 Feb 2006 05:49 PST |
There weren't, by any chance, any animal footprints near the bottle parts, were there? |
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Re: One bottle of Coca-Cola exploded (not broke) at freezing temperature
From: rracecarr-ga on 02 Feb 2006 12:29 PST |
I think markvmd is correct that CO2 solubility in ice is less than in water. Does this mean when you freeze soda, CO2 is expelled? Or does it get 'frozen in' making super-saturated ice? Is there any documentation? If not, it's an easy experiment to do... |
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Re: One bottle of Coca-Cola exploded (not broke) at freezing temperature
From: markvmd-ga on 02 Feb 2006 18:31 PST |
Rracecarr, freezing soda water (carbonated water) forces out much of the CO2 but not all. The water freezes in an interesting manner-- it forms something that looks like snow. As I mentioned, this was an experiment performed by Joseph Priestly in his home next to the brewery. |
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Re: One bottle of Coca-Cola exploded (not broke) at freezing temperature
From: azdoug-ga on 03 Feb 2006 06:34 PST |
Here ya go: http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/122Adensityice.html The density decreases, the volume expands, and POP! (my bad - the change isn't due to air becoming infused in the ice, but rather the molecular structure changes.) pretty cool! |
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