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Subject: Apple 30" cinema display on a PC?
Category: Computers > Graphics
Asked by: jasleinstein-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 08 Jan 2005 22:19 PST
Expires: 07 Feb 2005 22:19 PST
Question ID: 454397
Has anyone gotten the Apple 30" cinema to work on a Windows system? 
I have the 30" and a ASUS V9999 GT (nvidia 6800 based ). The card with
my old display would enable me to select display res above 1900 x
1600.
As I installed the cimema it will not let me get about 1280 x 800. 
I think it has to do with not having a driver for the Monitor? Windows
sees it as a plug and play monitor not a Apple 30" Cinema.
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Subject: Re: Apple 30" cinema display on a PC?
From: hivekiller-ga on 14 Jan 2005 13:44 PST
 
The 6800's can display 1900 x 1600 only on an VGA display. The cinema
being digital, has a seperate set of maximum resoloutions, the max for
my PNY 6800 is 1600 x 1200, so the max you can run at widescreen for
the cinema is 1280X800. There is also no windows driver for the cinema
displays. Hope that helps.
Subject: Re: Apple 30" cinema display on a PC?
From: melrixx-ga on 26 Jan 2005 07:29 PST
 
You have only two ways to use the Apple 30" on a PC :

1-> Buy a professionnal Quadro FX 3000/4000 card from PNY (start at 1500 euros)
2-> Buy the new announced (on 25/01/2005) Matrox card Parhelia DL256
(600 euros HT ?)

The most important thing is that the DDL component (like the 6800
Ultra DLL for max) must be implemented. Without this feature you
cannot have the native resolution of 2560*1600.
Subject: Re: Apple 30" cinema display on a PC?
From: srsketch-ga on 03 Feb 2005 09:17 PST
 
I can verify that the Apple Cinema 30" display will run at full
resolution with the Quadro 3000 and 4000 series.  Additionally, it
WILL run with certain nVidia-based 68000 GTO (consumer grade "gamer")
cards.  I have all three cards (some are the PCIe variant - i.e.
Quadro 3400).  The particular GTO board is unknown to me as all
"badging" was removed in a new system I ordered from Dell.  I have
their SKU number, however, and have ordered another machine with a
similar SKU to see it it will work also.  In any case, unless one
really needs workstation type functionality, i.e. you just want to run
the Apple 30" as a larger desktop monitor, there is absolutely no
reason to pay the extra for the Quadro.  I believe the GTO board
ordered on my last Dell XPS was an approximate $150 upgrade, so I am
estimating that the reatil or "street price" of this GTO board would
be in the $350 - $400 (US) range.  FWIW, I have read that perhaps this
board is actually the ASUS GTO (V9999?) board.  Finding this
information is what lead me to order this particular option on my last
XPS - I had already been running a Quadro 3000 in my previous machine
and had ordered a 3400 for the new PCIe based XPS.  When the computer
came in, I pulled the GTO board and installed the Quadro 3400, fired
up the monitor to test for dead pixels, etc.  As an "experiment", I
replaced the Quadro 3400 with the GTO board, not really expecting it
to work, but it did.  Hence I returned the Quadro board and saves
about $1,200 (US)...  The GTO board will NOT push two Apple 30's at
full resolution, at least MINE will not.  I have a Quadro FX4000 on
order and will report whether or not it will push two Apple 30's. 
BTW, if you like the Apple 30's resolution but are not a big fan of
having the Apple logo on your equipment, you should see the same panel
in a monitor by the real manufacturer this summer.  I have an
engineering sample now, and it performs slightly better (just plain
manufacturing variances?), but looks better, IMHO.  I admire the build
quality of the Apple 30, but it sits a little high for me, sitting on
a standard desktop height surface.  The upcoming monitor sits about 2"
lower which puts it about right for MY environment.  Hope this helps!
Subject: Re: Apple 30" cinema display on a PC?
From: iaw4-ga on 21 Feb 2005 08:26 PST
 
dear srsketch:  very interesting.  thanks for sharing this info.  I
have looked for this info for quite a while.

I would love to know who the OEM for this monitor is, but I guess you
cannot say.  I do run the apple 23", OEM being Samsung if I am not
mistaken.  For the most part, it is great, but the true Samsungs are
better at multi-syncing.  Not good, but emphasis on "better"---my true
Samsung monitors of later vintage  and size 21" are very slow and
finicky at recognizing sync rates, too.

more importantly, may I ask how the 30" connection works?  does the
monitor require two DVI connectors, and are they automatically
recognized once plugged into the card?

another good question: does this work under linux (X)?

thanks for any comments.

/iaw
Subject: Re: Apple 30" cinema display on a PC?
From: minosb-ga on 11 Mar 2005 02:42 PST
 
Hey,

I have test several video card with the Apple 30 Cinema Display :
- Asus Radeon EAX800 XT PE/2DHTV (PCI-E, 2xDVI output)
http://www.asus.com/products/vga/eax800xt-pe/overview.htm
- MSI GeForce NX6800GT-T2D256E (PCI-E, 2xDVI output, said as Dual-link
DVI support by MSI
)
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_detail.php?UID=623
- Asus V9999 GeForce 6800 GE (AGP, 1xDVI output)
http://france.asus.com/products/vga/v9999ge/overview2.htm#

The first card, the 30 ACD works only at 1280x800. I can select higher
resolution (up to 2500x1600) but the window screen doesn't fit the ACD
(true resolution is still 1280x800).

The second card works at 1280x800 (the higher resolution).

The third card works up to 2500x1600. I have tried this since I read
on forum that it was the only PC Card available for public which works
with the 30 ACD (the card must be the GE version)
Subject: Re: Apple 30" cinema display on a PC?
From: corgi_clue-ga on 20 Mar 2005 14:31 PST
 
Hi Minosb,

Could you please verify that when you refer to the "Asus V9999 GeForce
6800 GE (AGP, 1xDVI output)" video card, and say that "The ... card
works up to 2500x1600", you mean 2500 horizontal pixels, as opposed to
2048 listed on the ASUS web site
http://france.asus.com/products/vga/v9999ge/overview2.htm# ?

I only ask because if the card drives at the spec'ed 2048x1536
resolution, it will not bring out the best out of the Apple 30".

Also do you notice any issues with the display quality using a single
DVI input as opposed to both DVI inputs?

Also, how is the black level across the monitor when you drive the
display with the V9999 GE using a bitmap filled with RGB 0's? I have
heard that there are lighter areas of black as you look across the
display, while other parts are a darker black. I found this to be an
odd report posted on another forum, and I wanted to see if anyone else
has seen this problem. This can be a significant issue if you use an
application where you need a constant black across the display, as I
do.

Lastly, do any other cards you have tested with the Apple 30" provide
better resolution than 2048x1536 (published values) and better
constancy of black level?

Thanks in advance for your help.
Subject: Re: Apple 30" cinema display on a PC?
From: mastapiannis-ga on 21 Mar 2005 15:28 PST
 
EVGA is coming out with this card, that certainly satisfies all your
questions and requirements about the Apple 30" cinema display:
http://www.evga.com/articles/public.asp?AID=240

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