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Subject:
SUNS
Category: Business and Money > Finance Asked by: sunny2005-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
19 Jan 2005 20:34 PST
Expires: 18 Feb 2005 20:34 PST Question ID: 460208 |
I am interested in information on SUNS. SUNS are some sort of financial instrument and I am looking for information on the nature of this financial instrument. I would also like to know who the parties involved are (e.g. issuing banks or insurance corporations). Furthermore I am interested in detailed information so links to emission prospects (if available at all), newspaper articles, congressional hearings, specialized publications or the like would be very helpful. | |
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Subject:
Re: SUNS
From: efn-ga on 20 Jan 2005 19:44 PST |
Unfortunately, information about SUNS proved to be more elusive than I expected, and even with your graciously lowered expectations, I don't think I can come up with a good enough answer. I'll allow several days, and if no other researcher steps up to the challenge, I'll be back with some fragmentary information. Sorry. --efn |
Subject:
Re: SUNS
From: efn-ga on 29 Jan 2005 15:09 PST |
Since no other answer has appeared, I will share some of the information I found about SUNS. SUNS are equity-linked notes issued by Lehman Brothers. http://www.lehman.com/ Units of equity-linked notes are issued with a face value and a defined term, like bonds. Their value at the end of the term is linked to the value of some equity security or index, typically an index like the S & P 500. During the term, units of the notes can be bought and sold at fluctuating market prices like shares of stock. At the end of the term, the units are redeemable for cash from the issuer. The amount of cash depends on what the linked equity has done during the term. If it has gone down, a unit is redeemable for its face value; if the equity has gone up, the unit is redeemable for some amount greater than its face value, the amount depending on how much the equity has gone up. The increase in the value of the notes unit is not necessarily proportional to the increase in the value of the equity; part of the definition of the equity-linked notes is a "participation" rate, which defines how much of the equity increase the note holder gets. For example, if the equity goes up 60% and the participation rate is 50%, a unit is redeemable for 130% of its face value. I think there may also be more complicated schemes where the value changes once a year depending on the linked equity, rather than only at the end of the term, but I didn't get the details on this. So the idea is let the investor gain if the stock market goes up, while protecting him or her from losing if it goes down. The catch is the opportunity cost of having the investment tied up. If the equity goes down, the investor does get his or her money back, but without any interest, and inflation is likely to have nibbled away at its value, so he or she is worse off than if he or she had put the money into a safe interest-bearing investment. The best explanation of equity-linked notes in general I found was from Lehman Brothers, by way of the Université Libre de Bruxelles. http://www.ulb.ac.be/cours/solvay/farber/VUB/10%20Lehman%20Brother%20Equity-Linked%20Notes.pdf Specific information about SUNS was scarce. The best-known series trades on the American Stock Exchange under the symbol SPJ. A unit has a face value of $10. They were issued in February 2002 and mature in February 2007. They are linked to the S & P 500 index. I couldn't find out what the participation rate is. http://www.amex.com/amextrader/?href=/amextrader/tdrInfo/data/axNotices/2002/valert2002-14.html A 2002 column by James K. Glassman considered SUNS a good deal when they were trading at $8.40. http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_glassman/glassman071102.asp The current price is $9.85. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=spj I hope this information, though incomplete, is helpful. --efn |
Subject:
SUNS (just like MITTS)
From: lionfish42-ga on 01 Feb 2005 08:38 PST |
SUNS (while I am unfamiliar with them) sound exactly like other private issues that are tied usually to indices offered by larger investment banks. Merrill Lynch offers a similar product called MITTS. (Market Index Target-Term Securities) The investment bank issues a note tied to an index (or stock in a rare case). The teaser is that there is no downside and that you will get back 100% of your principal at the end of the investment and you participate on the upside. It sounds too good to be true and as you guessed it, it is. While it is true that you receive 100% of your principal at the end of the investment and you do participate on the upside, there are two important questions. First, when am I guaranteed my return? Second, how much do I participate on the upside? The calculation that needs to be calculated for the first question is the ?cost of money? or interest return. If you invested in this product and waited for maturity (example 5 years) and it was to stay the same, go down, or not go up enough, your investment is returned at it? initial investment. Most finance people would say that you actually lost money. You might say; ?How, I got back my principal?? The answer is ?cost of money?. Technically you loaned money to the Investment Bank and did not receive any interest rate return for your money. Add in the cost of inflation and not interest return on your investment for 5 years and a good argument could be made that you lost money. In fact you would have been better off buying a CD. Of course you might say, but a CD doesn?t have the upside potential like this product. That leads us to the next question?. How much do you participate on the upside? The calculation on some of these products is pretty shrewd and requires some interesting calculations. Let?s use the MITTS example, since I am familiar with them. MIJ is a symbol for such a product. MIJ is the S&P 500 MITTS. Its initial price is issued at $10 and 100% of principal is guaranteed. Wow, that sounds great, no downside and I can be long the MIJ which is similar to a tracking stock of the S&P 500. Now wait?let?s look at the fine print. The MITTS was issued when the S&P 500 was trading at 1066.09 in the fine print it says that you only participate in returns above 1.8 % return per year or 13% for the life of the MITTS. In the case of MIJ it is 7 years (was issued in 1998 and will come due this year 2005). Now 1.8% per year is 19 points for the first year. So the MITTS does really perform exactly like a tracking stock, it actually has a 1.8% per year lag (if you will). At the end of 7 years the S&P 500 has to be above 1205 for you to begin to even realize a profit (a 13% increase and that is not being calculated compounded, I would read the issuer?s contract to make sure that it is not compounded, which could even lower expectations further.). This is also not to say that the MITTS could trade below $10 (or principal amount) before they are due, this happened with the MIJ. Now of course this would be a guaranteed profit by expiration, but again calculate the percentage amount vs. time to expiration. Again, you will see that this ARB is not worth doing. Now MIJ is a prefect example, because it comes due this year. Guess what? SPX is currently 1185 and the MIJ is trading you ask after 7 years? $10.17 (as of today). That is a 1.7% over 7 years. How did Merrill do? Well, fair value of the MIJ with the SPX at 1185 is $11.11. So today Merrill has made a $1.04 of profit to your $.17 cents. That?s 10.4% return to your 1.7% return. The beauty of it, you lent Merrill the money to make them 10.4%. To simplify everything mentioned above. You are making an interest free loan to Merrill Lynch (or some other investment bank) and giving them the first 1.8% return per year (13% return per life of contract) to the upside. And you are guaranteed back your principal, provided Merrill doesn?t go out of business. I think you would be better off trading the ETF or Trust. Like Spyders, QQQQ, or other trackers. You might say, ?Hey, but I could lose my money if they go down!? And I will say to you, No Risk No Reward. Merrill has the best of both worlds, they borrow money from you interest free (actually they are making money on the float) and they get the first 13% return. Hope this helps. LionFish42 |
Subject:
SUNS, MITTS, Etc.
From: lionfish42-ga on 01 Feb 2005 08:50 PST |
You can contact any of the large investment banks, Lehman, Merrill, Goldman, JP Morgan, etc. Ask them to send/email you the prospectus on there equity-linked notes or index tracking notes. Every firm has there own name for them. Make sure to read them carefully before investing. Another imporant thing to realize is the liquidity risk. These are very low volume issues. Most of them trade about 1000 contracts a day. That is $10k a day. So if you have some serious coin, better look else where. Good luck... - LionFish42 |
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