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Subject:
Doubling up wires for increased amperage
Category: Family and Home > Home Asked by: adavidw-ga List Price: $4.50 |
Posted:
07 Mar 2005 01:15 PST
Expires: 06 Apr 2005 02:15 PDT Question ID: 486027 |
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Re: Doubling up wires for increased amperage
From: anotherbrian-ga on 07 Mar 2005 07:23 PST |
This is not a common situation so I would be suprised if it's specifcly mentioned in the code. But from an electrical point of view having two 12g wires should more than equal the cross-sectional area of a single 10g. Cross-sectional area, along with temperature and material are what determins a wire's current carrying capiblities. I am woried about the the connectors that join up the wires, as they could be rated for 12g and thus not have the capacity of 10g connectors. Also, the two phases comming from the fuse box must _never_ be crossconnected withought a load (your dryer) between them. This could happen accidentally when dealing with 4 wires comming into the box instead of 2. Because the dryer is rated at 30 amps you do need to upgrade the fuses and possibly the fuse box to handle that load. I would also suggest a thurogh cleaning of the dryer (compleatly disassemble it). The exaust could be pluged, putting extra strain on the motor (and creating a fire hazzard) or you could have a shorted heating coil. If the unit consistantly blows the fuse right when the motor turns on you should get slow-blow fuses. They are desinged to allow the very short over current surge that happens when a motor starts without blowing. |
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Re: Doubling up wires for increased amperage
From: aht-ga on 07 Mar 2005 13:55 PST |
adavidw-ga: This is just an opinion, as I do not know where in the world you are located and therefore cannot reference your local building code to give a conclusive answer. Fuses and circuit breakers are intended to be the 'weakest' link in an electrical circuit, to protect the rest of the circuit from burning up in the case of a problem. When you look at your layout, what you should be looking for is the potential of a single failure elsewhere in the circuit causing a problem that the fuse won't protect you from. In this particular case, it sounds like the part you should be looking at is the ability of one of the two 12-gauge wires to carry 30 A without any problems, should the other 12-gauge wire either break or comes loose. 12-gauge is nominally rated to a max of 20 A (plus any derating required by the code due to the ambient conditions), 10-gauge is rated to 30 A. So, in a worst-case scenario, if one of the 12-gauge runs is cut, breaks, or comes loose, then you'd be potentially trying to draw 30 A through the remaining 12-gauge run, leading to the potential of a melt-down and fire since the fuse won't blow at less than 30 A. Best advice is to have a local electrician take a look to see if it's possible to pull a new cable through to that junction box from the fusebox. Anyway, just my opinion, hope it helps. aht-ga |
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Re: Doubling up wires for increased amperage
From: adavidw-ga on 08 Mar 2005 14:29 PST |
anotherbrian-ga: In the junction box that connects the double 12ga to the 10ga, the wire nuts are plenty big enough to make a secure connection between the wires. From there, it's 10ga all the way to the dryer, so in the dryer outlet box, there's only the three wires + ground from the 10ga bundle. I did the complete teardown and vacuuming of the dryer when it first started blowing fuses, hoping that would solve it. I got a ton of crap out of it, but the fuses still blew. I also made sure I was only using the slo-blo fuses, just in case that was it. My guess is that the resistance of the heating element is changing as it ages, and just pulling more current. But since the dryer's rated for 30A, it's still within design spec, so I can't complain too much. aht-ga: All this time I've been wondering about the load carrying capacity of the doubled 12ga, but have never even considered the possibility of one of those conductors breaking or becoming dislodged. Yeah, if it was 10ga all the way and the cable came loose, the circuit would be dead. But, with the double 12ga circuit, if one of those comes loose you still have 30A going across the other one, with my whole house in flames as a possible result. Thanks for pointing out that possibility. For that reason alone, I'll look into pulling 10ga from the fuse box to the junction box. As of right now, I've got 25A fuses in the two legs of the dryer circuit, and the dryer's running fine without blowing them. And, like I suspected, the wiring is more than adequate for that load. However, because of the possibility of one of the 12ga wires becoming disconnected, I'm not going to consider that a permanent solution, and find a way to pull 10ga wire instead. Thank you both for your help. |
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Re: Doubling up wires for increased amperage
From: elitehomeinspectors-ga on 09 Mar 2005 09:07 PST |
This is not code in any state. The fuse panel will not handle the load |
Subject:
Re: Doubling up wires for increased amperage
From: adavidw-ga on 09 Mar 2005 13:09 PST |
elitehomeinspectors-ga: What do you mean, the fuse panel won't handle the load? My question is about the wires. Are you implying that even with 10ga wire to the panel, the panel itself can't handle a 30amp circuit? Why wouldn't it be able to? |
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