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Rabbit Chews the Cud?
Category: Relationships and Society > Religion Asked by: speli-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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11 Mar 2005 10:12 PST
Expires: 10 Apr 2005 11:12 PDT Question ID: 492669 |
Why does the Bible refer to rabbits as cud chewers in Leviticus 11:6: "The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you." (New International Version)? |
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Re: Rabbit Chews the Cud?
From: scriptor-ga on 11 Mar 2005 10:25 PST |
Well, the bible was written by human beings. And human beings sometimes are mistaken. Scriptor |
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Re: Rabbit Chews the Cud?
From: lrulrick-ga on 11 Mar 2005 10:28 PST |
Don't know for sure but I found this: Those Leviticus "Cud-Chewers" © 1996 by T.L. Hubeart Jr. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lev. 11:6 (KJV) And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he [is] unclean unto you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The hare"--this animal and the "coney" of the previous verse are probably synonymous. This passage has often been attacked since, as we now know, the "hare" or rabbit does not chew the cud, as for example the cow does. In a remarkable display of reactionary and superficial annotation, Scofield explained "hare" in this verse as follows: Heb. arnebeth, an unidentified animal, but certainly not a hare, possessing as it is said to, characteristics not possessed by the hare. The supposed error in the text is due entirely to the translators' assumption that the English hare and the ancient "arnebeth" were identical. Notice that even while Scofield elevates his own scholarship above that of the KJV men, he fails miserably at solving the problem. Even if "hare" is to be dismissed from the text (to be replaced by who knows what animal?), the "coney" remains chewing the cud, in apparent defiance of scientific knowledge. Even changing the translation of "coney" (for example, to "rock-badger" [Darby]) fails to yield a cud-chewing animal, and thus fails to vindicate the text in the way Scofield imagined himself to be doing. It seems clear to me that God was adapting his phraseology to the understanding of man in the present instance. Since people of that time believed that these animals chewed the cud, God appealed to another observable external factor, the undivided hoof, in demonstrating the animals' uncleanliness. Another like instance of God's adaptation of His speech to their level of comprehension occurs presently, where the description of "fowls" encompasses not only birds--verse 13 --but insects as well--verse 22. Search Google for "cud chewers" |
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Re: Rabbit Chews the Cud?
From: falcoboy7-ga on 11 Mar 2005 10:42 PST |
Similar to what was said above ^^ "Steven Stone from West Bloomfield, Michigan wrote: Dear Rabbi, How can the Torah say that the rabbit chews its cud (Leviticus 11:5-6) when science knows that it does not? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Steven Stone, The Torah says that we should not eat "the arnevet, for it chews its cud but its hoof is not split." Most commentaries translate arnevet not as rabbit but as either coney, rock badger or hyrax, all of which do in fact chew their cud. Some point out that the rabbit is auto-coprophagous, which can be seen as a form of cud-chewing, where the cud "ferments" externally. Sources: Living Torah by Aryeh Kaplan Encyclopedia Hamikrah, Arnevet " http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/174/Q3/ |
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Re: Rabbit Chews the Cud?
From: guzzi-ga on 11 Mar 2005 15:52 PST |
As with most mythology there is usually an element of truth. Rabbits eat their own droppings to break down the cellulose more effectively -- this is tantamount to chewing the cud. Though the single pass pellets are green and the double pass are black, what I?ve never quite figured out is the sequence of eating grass, defecating and recycling, such that doubly digested pellets don?t get tangled with singly digested ones. Maybe phil (silver777) can elucidate. He had a dalliance with rabbits. Best |
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From: pugwashjw-ga on 14 Mar 2005 01:54 PST |
The Bible is not wrong.And although written by men, it was under God's inspiration [ 2Timothy 3'16] In some translations, the word 'rabbit' is translated as 'hare'. Both the rabbit and the hare are of the family 'Leporidae' and the original Hebrew word is 'ar-ne'veth'. Although modern science has proved that hares and rabbits do not regurgitate food from the stomach and re-chew it like cattle, they do eat and swallow their own night droppings to extract extra vitamins, such as B.The term for this is 'refection'. Past Bible commentators saw no error in the scripture, because to the casual observer, their chewing action was the same as cattle, although the specifics of it were different. Granted that God has supervised the writing and preservation of His word to us, the importance of the Bible is the message that Jesus taught, and it is foolish to get sidetracked by minor things. The early Hebrews, as far as we know, did not have the scientific knowledge of hares that we do today, and to the writer of Leviticus, Moses himself, it would look like chewing the cud. |
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From: sharon357-ga on 11 Aug 2005 11:28 PDT |
Dr. Norman Geisler and numerous apologists have associated refection of rabbits with "cud chewing". If you go that route, you run into the problem of the "Swine chewing a cud". Swine, like rabbits consume their feces [coprophagia] -- Swine notoriously will consume the feces of other animals, including that of humans as well. (Moses emphatically states the swine does not chew a cud.) We can deduce Moses was not referring to refection in the rabbit, but rather made the same observation as Linnaeus. I feel Dr. Sarfati would benefit from some further research on this issue. I would be interested to know what his response is on this issue. http://www.aquavet.i12.com/Rabbit.htm Further, the rabbit does not chew at all. It swallows the pellet whole. This behavior cannot be called "chewing" the cud. Hare Chewing Cud "Refection" Errors http://www.creation-science.us/errancy/hare_chew_cud.html Conversation with Webpologist JP Holding. More questions to consider on the apologetical explanation of the hare chewing the cud and refection. The Standard Biblical Apologetical Answer is located at: Answers in Genesis "Does the Rabbit Chew a Cud?" http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/rabbits.asp?vPrint=1 Further Discussion is now available at the Secular Web: http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=2619853#post2619853 |
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Re: Rabbit Chews the Cud?
From: sharon357-ga on 14 Aug 2005 09:02 PDT |
The conclusive answer: No. A rabbit does not chew a cud. SOURCE: Dictionary.com: What is the definition of cud? Tobacco chew qualifies as cud. DEF #1 cud ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kd) n. Food regurgitated from the first stomach to the mouth of a ruminant and chewed again. Something held in the mouth and chewed, such as a quid of tobacco. [Middle English, from Old English cudu.] DEF #2 Main Entry: cud Pronunciation: 'k&d, 'kud Function: noun : food brought up into the mouth by a ruminating animal from its first stomach to be chewed again DEF #3 cud n 1: food of a ruminant regurgitated to be chewed again [syn: rechewed food] 2: a wad of something chewable as tobacco [syn: chew, chaw, quid, plug, wad] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cud The rabbit's "caecal pellet" which is in controversy, is not chewed but rather, it is swallowed whole. To qualify as cud, a wad must be chewed. THREE REFERENCES: "Arrival of the caecotrophs at the anus triggers a reflex licking of the anus and ingestion of the caecotrophs, which are swallowed whole and not chewed." http://www.aquavet.i12.com/Rabbit.htm "Griffiths and Davies assert that the soft pellets are found whole in the stomach and therefore must be swallowed whole." http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/aig_rabbits_cud.htm A Christian website containing numerous links on the digestive system of Rabbits. http://www.gw.org/Rabbit.htm quotes "Rabbits are sometimes called "pseudo-ruminants"... The rhythmic cycle of coprophagy of pure cecal contents practiced by all rabbits allows utilization of microbial protein and fermentation products, as well as recycling of certain minerals. Whereas the feces commonly seen excreted by rabbits are fairly large, dry and ovoid, excreted singly, and consist of fibrous plant material, cecotrophs are about half that size, occur in moist bundles stuck together with mucus, and are very fine textured and odiferous. They are seldom seen, as the rabbit plucks them directly from the anus as they are passed and swallows them whole. Normal rabbits do not allow cecotrophs to drop to the floor or ground, and their presence there indicates a mechanical problem or illness in the rabbit. microvet.arizona.edu/Courses/MIC443/notes/rabbits.htm and Biblical Scholars speak on the question: Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, page 525: The OT...refers to the hare only to indicate that it is an unclean animal, but its assertion that the hare is a ruminant is contrary to fact. Probably, as in the case of the hyrax...some movements of the mouth and jaws have been erroneously interpreted as cud-chewing. International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, page 616: This animal is mentioned only in the lists of unclean animals in Leviticus and Deuteronomy...The hare and the coney are not ruminants, but might be supposed to be from their habit of almost continuously moving their jaws. Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible, 2000 edition, page 552: Because it "chews the cud" but "does not have divided hoofs," the hare is classified as an unclean animal (Lev. 11:6; Deut. 14:7). Actually, it is not a ruminant but may have appeared as such to ancient obervers because of its constant chewing movements. An entire discussion has been dedicated to this issue here: http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=133308 |
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Re: Rabbit Chews the Cud?
From: sharon357-ga on 19 Aug 2005 11:03 PDT |
DR. NORMAN GEISLER RESPONDS On 8/18/2005 8:10:52 PM, ...ses.edu wrote: Sharon: Thanks for your note. If you read my article, then you know I don't believe the rabbit chews the cud in the modern technical sense. It simply makes a chewing motion that from an observational point of view can be associated with other animals that do chew the cud in the technical sense. Norm Geisler ------------- MORE ON DR. NORMAN GEISLER ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dr.+norman+geisler Geisler, Norman Christian apologist and president of Southern Evangelical Seminary in Charlotte, North Carolina. Brief biography, speaking schedule, ... www.normgeisler.com/ Dr. Norman Geisler is author or coauthor of some fifty books and hundreds of articles. He has taught at the university and graduate level for forty three years and has spoken or debated in all fifty states and in twenty-five countries. He holds a Ph.D. in philosophy from Loyola University and now serves as President of Southern Evangelical Seminary, in Charlotte, North Carolina. |
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