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Subject:
calculating the pressure in a closed vessel.
Category: Science Asked by: gprice-ga List Price: $2.50 |
Posted:
14 Mar 2005 05:53 PST
Expires: 13 Apr 2005 06:53 PDT Question ID: 494327 |
How would you go about calculating the pressure of water in a sealed vessel or tank. If the tank is 1.5metres in diameter and 2.5metres high and full of water and you then drain some water from the bottom of the tank through an enclosed system of pipes what would the pressure of water be acting on the head of water in the tank?? |
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Re: calculating the pressure in a closed vessel.
From: guzzi-ga on 14 Mar 2005 16:25 PST |
Trick question, the water won?t actually drain out unless it gurgles. Needs to be deeper than about 10 meters. You'll get a slight dribble but that's only because of dissolved air and slight expansion. Diameter is irrelevant. Best |
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Re: calculating the pressure in a closed vessel.
From: myoarin-ga on 15 Mar 2005 03:59 PST |
I agree with guzzi-ga. If the tank were completely full - no airspace at the top - and what you describe as closed system of pipes - presumably precluding that air could get in the tank (guzzi's gurgling), then the water would not drain. The question: "... what would the pressure of water be acting on the head of water in the tank?" I do not understand. I would have thought it would be the other way around, the head of water (2.5 m) creating pressure - but in a closed container with no airspace and no way for air to enter, ... ? |
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Re: calculating the pressure in a closed vessel.
From: chadsly-ga on 15 Mar 2005 10:10 PST |
The diameter of the vessel is not important. The pressure is calculated by the equation P=density of fluid*gravity*height of the fluid. |
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Re: calculating the pressure in a closed vessel.
From: charliefromwashingto-ga on 22 Mar 2005 19:51 PST |
water just like any liquid has a partial pressure (pp)which is temp dependent i dont have the numbers but the (pp) of water is equal to sea level air pressure (14.7 lbs/in^2) at a temp of 100 deg (C) now in the tank the water is being forced up into the tank by the pressure of the air acting on the exit of the tube the water has an opposing downward force equal to apx 1200gm per tank depth in meters.when the depth equals around 10 meters the force of the water at the bottom of the tank will equal the air pressure acting on it.at this point the water pressure at the top will be very small when it drops below waters (pp) at that temp the water will boil out creating a gas space above.boiling will lower the temp of the water which will lower its (pp) which will cause it to cease boiling. so i guess the answer to your question is the space above the water in the tank will be whatever it needs to be to keep the water depth equal to the hight a coloum of water will rise due to air pressue (apx 33 ft or 10meters) |
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Re: calculating the pressure in a closed vessel.
From: myoarin-ga on 25 Mar 2005 11:57 PST |
I understood from the question that there was no air at the top of the tank, hence guzzi's and my comments. As long as there is none, the water just won't drain out, unless air is allowed into the tank to replace it. I believe that that is the same as saying that there is no pressure - But I coud sure be wrong. A Water barometer can be made (had one in the stairwell of my school), the same as a mercury barometer, but over ten meters high. A 10 m column of water, like a 39 inch column of mercury is so heavy that it "hangs" at that level, creating a vacuum above it in the closed tube, but the water - like the mercury - does not flow out. A little would when a lower pressure phase came and the Barometer didn't have and up-turn to collect it, but just that little. |
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Re: calculating the pressure in a closed vessel.
From: chadsly-ga on 28 Mar 2005 06:55 PST |
You're point is well made, but this is just a typical engineering question that this kid probably needed for homework. It was probably already due and never checked back for an answer. |
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