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Can you name these 2 cars?
Category: Sports and Recreation > Automotive Asked by: adamhersh-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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12 Apr 2005 11:10 PDT
Expires: 12 May 2005 11:10 PDT Question ID: 508411 |
We are trying to get these posters up on our site www.AdamHershPosters.com. Can somebody help us find out what cars (Name, Year, and Model) are... http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/50/49711/POH184.jpg Car #1 http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/50/49711/POH183.jpg Car #2 Thanks! |
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Re: Can you name these 2 cars?
From: probonopublico-ga on 12 Apr 2005 12:52 PDT |
Could #2 be a Mercedes? (Not this year's model.) |
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From: myoarin-ga on 12 Apr 2005 15:17 PDT |
Probono, for an Hussar you are very astute - or are you just star-struck? It is indeed a Mercedes, by my estimate after scrolling past lots of thumbmails, it is a Mercedes SS Cabriolet, maybe earlier than 1933. Lilian Harvey had one from that year that had a less rudimentary front bumper. Probo, I was trying to identify "you" on the photo of the beloved couple coming down the steps from St. George's Chapel. One of the Prince's own 10 Hussars must have been there, but not in the uniform that I found on a Dewar's advertisement (which I just pronounced with the accent on the second syllable for your sake). I think it must have one of the two near the top of stairs who had the oddly shaped shoulderboards that someone was selling on eBay as 10th H. Apologies, Adamhersh, for this diversion to an earlier question. |
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From: probonopublico-ga on 12 Apr 2005 21:57 PDT |
Hi, Myo ... Your getting a fix on the Merc is impressive! Regretfully, GA rules regarding anonymity preclude me from identifying myself in this forum. I am in Scotland at present, acting as Nuptial Adviser to a happy couple. PB |
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From: myoarin-ga on 13 Apr 2005 10:43 PDT |
the first car is a German Adler, probably from the mid to late 1920s. I found the triangular emblem on the radiator in google pictures with adler emblem, but could not find the car. But, this site of the Surrey auto collectors or whatever they call themselves who try to identify cars from photos. http://www.svvs.org/links5.shtml You can test them. Probo, they've got more experience than I have. But, honestly, we've been being unfair to them: Who gets the chance after 35 years to marry the sweetheart of his you - and still wants to - and even more important and remarkable, she does too! Best to them!! |
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Re: Can you name these 2 cars?
From: probonopublico-ga on 13 Apr 2005 12:28 PDT |
Myo Are you sure about #1 being an Adler? There was certainly an Adler typewriter and also the notorious Irene Adler (see 'A Scandal in Bohemia', where else?) but surely not a car? Noticing that it was a Right Hand Drive, I had convinced myself that it was a British car. But maybe the photo has been transposed? |
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From: myoarin-ga on 13 Apr 2005 13:25 PDT |
Probo, you really are very astute - righthand drive. But I am pretty sure the photo is reversed. It was bothering me that the spare wheel was (apparently) on the left side, while it was on the right side of the other car and all the ones I scrolled past. Adler Werke started making bicycles in 1880, and also typewriters, and I believe from what I saw that it was in 1904 that they started making cars, eventually (? late 20s, early 30s) as Triumph-Adler. Made a wicked looking armoured car too. Adamhersh, I would let those avid people in Surrey give their best. |
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Re: Can you name these 2 cars?
From: irishlad-ga on 14 Apr 2005 11:39 PDT |
Nice job guys! I've been searching for a car just on the front logo and now I know what to look for... and Adler! here's a link to the different logos they used. http://www.mirbach.de/lexikon/Adler_logo_history.jpg I searched all over for comparable pics, but found mostly Adlers from the 30's on up. Here's the closest images I could find... http://www.koch-stocke.de/allebilder/alleaktuellen/aktuellesbilder/adlertreffen/adlertreffen3.jpg http://www.koch-stocke.de/allebilder/alleaktuellen/aktuellesbilder/adlertreffen/adlertreffen%20019.jpg Same car is also on this page in the top row http://www.adler-veteranen.de/fotogal/zuzenhausen/galzuz2001.html I still have no clue as to the correct model or year... but it been a fun search! |
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From: steveinuk-ga on 15 Apr 2005 13:21 PDT |
The first car is definately a very early model of the Adler Favoritt, the earlier models had the angled roof. The badge is the very German eagle badge, which dates from 1881-1914. I have heard that the Favoritt was only made from 1929-1935, but I think this could be the newer model with the flatter roof and the rounder front. Check out the first image on: http://designworx.org/adlfav.htm The 2nd is easy, its the Mercedes 1928 Model SS Goto this site and click on 4th thumbnail. http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container.jsp?/heritage/history.jsp&menu=2_2&sub=4 |
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From: myoarin-ga on 15 Apr 2005 18:30 PDT |
This is a team effort. The Irish lad's link for Adler emblems shwos that the traingular one was used from 1918 to 1932. The auto is indeed an earlier model with its un-chromed radiator with its simple lines. Whether the ragtop model was also called Favorit ... The Mercedes: I note that the line of the inside of the fenders on the 1928 "SS" is rounder than on the model in the question. Since later on, this line went even lower, I think the SS in the question is an earlier version, early 1928, 1927? Any other opinions? |
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From: irishlad-ga on 23 Apr 2005 07:43 PDT |
I found a build sheet for all the Adler motorcars at: http://www.adler-veteranen.de/tech/auto.jpg There in the middle of the chart... from years 1923-1925 appears to be the exact car in the poster. It may be a tiny black and white image... but there's the trees in the background... and the same building. Is this car an Adler 10/50 PS Tvd 10V ??? I would like to confirm this from the site itself, http://www.adler-veteranen.de/ but I don't speak (or read) any German. |
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From: fp-ga on 23 Apr 2005 08:43 PDT |
Apparently, it is indeed an Adler 10/50. "The Adler 10/50 was produced from 1925 to 1930": http://www.histomobile.com/1/Adler/1925/10-50_.htm?lan=1 However, according to http://www.adler-veteranen.de/tech/auto.jpg (as referred to in the previous comment) it was produced "from 1925 to 1927". |
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Re: Can you name these 2 cars?
From: fp-ga on 23 Apr 2005 08:50 PDT |
Irishlad, in your previous comment you identified the model as "Adler 10/50 PS Tvd 10V". However, I suppose it's not "Tvd" but "Typ" (i.e. German for type, model). |
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Re: Can you name these 2 cars?
From: irishlad-ga on 23 Apr 2005 10:26 PDT |
You're right fp-ga... I was in a hurry copying from the printing beneath the car picture. I also misread the production years as where the picture was pasted on the chart instead of the graybar for the actual model output. Thanks! Also, from the chart, it looks like maybe the 10/50 evolved into the Standard 6, which continued well into the nineteen thirties. Here's a link mentioning a Standard 6 that this young lady drove around the world! http://www.vda.de/en/service/jahresbericht/auto2003/frau/ |
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Re: Can you name these 2 cars?
From: fp-ga on 24 Apr 2005 11:39 PDT |
Steveinuk, I suppose the Mercedes in question is not the one shown in http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container.jsp?/heritage/history.jsp&menu=2_2&sub=4 (two doors). Adamhersh is trying to find a Mercedes with four doors. |
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Re: Can you name these 2 cars?
From: irishlad-ga on 25 Apr 2005 09:45 PDT |
I finally found a better match (full color) for the Adler poster. http://www.histomobile.com/histomob/internet/368/histo02.htm According to this page, it is a 1925 model 10/50. Now if I could only find a match for that that Mecedes.... |
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Re: Can you name these 2 cars?
From: alehandrop-ga on 30 Apr 2005 20:03 PDT |
i think that the #1 is a Ford Model T.If it is not i still believe that it is an american car.the car #2 is a mercedes benz. |
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Re: Can you name these 2 cars?
From: irishlad-ga on 07 May 2005 08:20 PDT |
Boy, talk about looking for a needle in a haystack... this particular Mercedes is hard to find! I was looking through books at the bookstore and came across an article about S and SS models and it said that almost no two are exactly alike. At that time (1927 through 1929) they were all being assembled by custom coachbulers around the world, and each one was being built to the customers desires. They were coming out of Germany, Switzerland... even the United States! Yup, the U.S. assembly was being done in the same plant that was responsible for producing Dusenbergs. So, with the S and SS models, you could find two door, four door, and even no door designs. (So many that I have found were of the "no door" design, and specifically built for racing. Here is my closest match so far: http://www.unitauto.ru/club/history_mb/history/ |
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Re: Can you name these 2 cars?
From: irishlad-ga on 07 May 2005 08:27 PDT |
On that link I just posted, There are some major differences in the two cars... running boards, stering wheel position, windshield wipers. I can't tell if the number 56 car is a two-door or four-door, and I can't find any other views of it! The important thing for me is that the crease on the side of the hood extends back across the doors also. Almost all of the other cars that I saw had doors much lower than the hoodline. I'm still looking... hoping to find the exact match for the poster. It has to be out there soemwhere. |
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Re: Can you name these 2 cars?
From: myoarin-ga on 07 May 2005 14:11 PDT |
Adamhersh And the ?Russian? model has running boards, and was obviously made for the S. Cal. Market - no windshield wipers ;-) (looks like a palm tree in the distance, too). Returning to the front fenders, I would think that ?your? model is earlier with the higher cut line, apparently to allow space for the tires in a sharp turn. There was a gradual trend from bike-like mud-guards towards fully attached fenders. The fenders on your model still are closer in shape to those of the Adler, and towards the back they do not integrate with the chassis (still just mud-guards), whereas those of the ?Russian? model sweep back to join the running boards. I think it is a two-door model; can only see one ?foot-plate? on the running board. Did you ask that auto club in Surrey that I found? Seems like they would love the challenge, but maybe that is where you learned about the different builders. What about offering your poster of the car on your site with the best info you have and also offer a prize for the first person who can verify the correct identification? Best, myoarin |
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Re: Can you name these 2 cars?
From: sephiroth_marcus-ga on 11 Oct 2005 19:05 PDT |
I know for a fact that #1 is a 1920 Ford Model T and #2 is a mercades from around the same time. |
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