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Q: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement? ( Answered 5 out of 5 stars,   11 Comments )
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Subject: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement?
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Asked by: droprock-ga
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Posted: 19 Apr 2005 05:51 PDT
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Question ID: 511287
I need proof that the word buttload was used as a term of measurement.
I know a A butt = 126 US Fluid gallons and a load = 201.97 US Fluid
Gallons. But I heard somewhere that a "buttload" was a term used by
"sea men" back in the day. I just need some proof that this term was
or is used as an actual term of measurement. Please provide a legit
reference and feel free to ask any question you may have.
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Subject: Re: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement?
Answered By: leapinglizard-ga on 20 Apr 2005 17:44 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear droprock,

Thank you for accepting my answer. As we now know, the Oxford English
Dictionary has a citation for "butt-load" as a unit of measure equal
to "about six seams", which amounts to roughly 450 gallons.

Regards,

leapinglizard
droprock-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars

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Subject: Re: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement?
From: nelson-ga on 19 Apr 2005 06:06 PDT
 
Nothing at Merriam-Webster's Collegiate.  Perhaps a researcher with
access to the unabridged OED can help.
Subject: Re: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement?
From: droprock-ga on 19 Apr 2005 06:10 PDT
 
any idea where I can find one of them?
Subject: Re: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement?
From: leapinglizard-ga on 19 Apr 2005 06:30 PDT
 
There is no entry in the Oxford English Dictionary for "buttload".
However, there is such a thing as a "butt-load".

  1796 MARSHALL W. England I. Gloss. (E.D.S.) Butt, a close-bodied cart; as
  dung-butt..gurry-butt..ox-butt, etc. Butt-load, about six seams.

There you have it. A butt-load is about six seams. Does that answer your question?

leapinglizard
Subject: Re: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement?
From: droprock-ga on 19 Apr 2005 06:41 PDT
 
I need the measurment term - unless a seam is a unit of
measurement..What book did you find this in? I was watching a show on
Public television about ship building and the man said buttload was a
little bit larger that a 50 gallon barrel..
Subject: Re: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement?
From: om3-ga on 19 Apr 2005 07:00 PDT
 
2005-04-19 14:00
I first heard this term popularized about 6 years ago
on WROX 96.1 FM near the Norfolk Naval Base
where they often get whole "buttloads" of seamen.
After a while I reasoned that they were referring to
marine "boatloads" as in railway "carloads".
This is the same station that long harped on the arrest of
a black woman for having oral sex with a male
in a car front seat with a 3-year-old girl
in the back seat watching.
Subject: Re: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement?
From: leapinglizard-ga on 19 Apr 2005 07:01 PDT
 
Indeed, a seam is a measure.

  seam: a traditional unit of volume. A seam of grain was 8 bushels: this
  would be equivalent to 290.95 liters based on the British Imperial bushel,
  or 281.91 liters based on the older U.S bushel.

UNC: Russ Rowlett: How Many?
http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/dictS.html

If we go by the OED's definition, a butt-load is about 450 gallons.
The definition of butt-load above is from the OED. Do you now consider
your question answered?

leapinglizard
Subject: Re: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement?
From: myoarin-ga on 19 Apr 2005 07:12 PDT
 
HI,
I imagine your butt of 126 gallons =two hogshead, according to
Webster's that gives them a size of 63 to 120 gallons.  That variance
suggests that the volumes for the containers were not to precise.  I
would suspect that the man in the film was probably in error  - or had
and entirely different source for his statement.
Since barrels were used not just to transport liquids (ceramics packed
in straw, or anything else), I can imagine that a buttload could have
been an expression for the storage capacity of a sailing ship.  Your
larger butt (sorry) would seem a more logical container for
non-liquids than his 50+ gallon one, but that is not any more
specific.
Subject: Re: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement?
From: droprock-ga on 19 Apr 2005 07:22 PDT
 
leapinglizard - I will check this reference on my lunch break - if
indeed it is in there - You (leapinglizard) have answered my question.
does that work for you?
Subject: Re: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement?
From: leapinglizard-ga on 19 Apr 2005 12:25 PDT
 
Oh, sure. But I'll wait to post my answer until you've confirmed the
dictionary entry. Any good library should have the complete Oxford
English Dictionary -- beware of the abridged or concise version!

leapinglizard
Subject: Re: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement?
From: droprock-ga on 19 Apr 2005 15:01 PDT
 
local library only had the short version - headed to the city to look
for the larger one..... Ill keep you posted.
Subject: Re: Buttload - is or was it ever used as an actual form of measurement?
From: droprock-ga on 20 Apr 2005 15:41 PDT
 
leapinglizard - please post the answer - you were correct - Thank you millions

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