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What the Bleep Do We Know Movie - Columbus History
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: cybermonsters-ga List Price: $15.00 |
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19 Apr 2005 10:19 PDT
Expires: 27 Apr 2005 23:09 PDT Question ID: 511386 |
In the movie "What The Bleep Do We Know" it is stated that when Christopher Columbus first reached land, the natives could not see his ships because the concept of the large ships did not exist to them. Only after several days did a medicine man first see the ships and then showed each of the other natives that they did exist. The concept put forth is that we can only see what fits in our world view. Question: Is there any historical reference to this fact from an accredited source that predates 1950? |
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know Movie - Columbus History
From: pinkfreud-ga on 19 Apr 2005 11:09 PDT |
I sincerely doubt that any reputable source for the story about the ships will be found. This sets off my BS detector. And I don't mean "big ship." Here you'll find a long thread discussing the matter: http://collab.givingspace.org/forums/community/2004-08/msg00186.html Another good discussion thread: http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=000682;p=1 |
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know Movie - Columbus History
From: nelson-ga on 19 Apr 2005 15:32 PDT |
Oh, that must explain why I can't see the flying saucers. I agree with Pink. Definite BS. |
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know Movie - Columbus History
From: xcarlx-ga on 19 Apr 2005 16:43 PDT |
Good work on that Big Ship quip too. :) |
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know Movie - Columbus History
From: qed100-ga on 20 Apr 2005 20:50 PDT |
I saw What The Bleep last autumn, and found that my rectum was rifled with hemmoroids thereafter. That apocryphal anecdote of the natives' inability to see & understand anything not spoon fed to them by experts is just a tactic on the part of the filmmakers, to teach the audience to accept their words as authorities on mystical issues. This is, to say the least, the antithesis of healthy scientific scepticism. -Mark |
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know Movie - Columbus History
From: politicalguru-ga on 20 Apr 2005 22:17 PDT |
The "natives" had only oral history (nothing written), and those in Hispaniola sadly parished quite quickly. The chances that this is established are in my opinion slim. |
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know Movie - Columbus History
From: czh-ga on 21 Apr 2005 00:05 PDT |
This is a ridiculous idea. Columbus?s ships weren?t very big. I had a chance to visit a replica of one of them a few years ago and it was quite small. The native peoples of the West Indies used fairly large dugout canoes and were quite familiar with the sea. Here are some links that give some perspective on the scale of the ships Columbus arrived in that supposedly so boggled the natives. http://www.sailtexas.com/columbusships.html Columbus Ships http://www.kwabs.com/columbus_log.html#SHIPSANDNAVIG2 Columbus Ships and Log Book http://www.sfu.ca/~csmith/genstuff/manteno/manteno2.html The Manteņo Expeditions Investigating the Sailing Vessels of Ancient Ecuador http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/history/precolumbian/tainover.htm PRE-COLUMBIAN HISPANIOLA -- ARAWAK/TAINO NATIVE AMERICANS The Arawak/Taino had no large animals like horses, oxen or mules to ride or use for work. But they did have river and sea transportation. They used dugout canoes which were cut from a single tree trunk and used with paddles. They could take 70-80 people in a single canoe and even used them for long travels on the sea. These dugouts allowed fishing the few lakes of Hispaniola as well as fishing out a bit off the coast. |
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know Movie - Columbus History
From: cybermonsters-ga on 23 Apr 2005 14:17 PDT |
I take the information given in the comments as acceptable answers to my original question. Thank you very much. |
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know Movie - Columbus History
From: magnumquest-ga on 27 Apr 2005 22:13 PDT |
It is true that we have no sound evidence of the fact that the natives actualy couldn't see the ships because it cannot be confirmed. There is no possible to find out the truth about the matter, even if there was a historical record, it would be british history and british perception of what happened since natives at that time did not record historical events. However, the point of the movie is, considering the possibility of such an event happening. It does not matter how hard it is for us to imagine someone not being able to see something infront of them just because their brain had not had any background information regarding the object. But considering the fact that its not our 'eyes' that 'see' its our brain, the hypothesis could very well be possible. Our brain does not see 'light', our brain sees electrical impulses that the eye sends through the optic nerve. When the brain gets the electrical impulses, it creates an image out of them, based on the rules that it has been pre-fed with. Rules such as 'A light with a wavelength so and so should appear red', Hence it sees 'red'. Also considering the fact that brain resides in a dark shell where there is no light. Even if you close your eyes and imagine up some object, the brain has the capability to project the object exactly how it would've looked had it been there in reality. When you see a dream, the brain creates an alternate reality for us based on our memories. When we wake up, the brain is still continuing to create a reality based on our memories and instructions. Only this time, we are not aware of what's real, and what's imagination. Our definition of reality is 'something that everyone else can see and interact with'. But wonder, that when we read scientific history, or go over archeological evidence of prehistoric scientific thought, we see that in different areas of the world, people viewed science differently. It was only until mainstream media was introduced that every scientific ideas started falling into place. And observations became unanimous. Maybe it was because all humans now had the same set of rules to describe wat they saw and percieved. Bottom line is, Science says Our brain is mutable, and only makes sense of the information its familiar with. Right now while you are reading this comment, your brain is also receiving input from other places on your screen, from the books lying next to the screen, from your girl friend shouting at you for the mess you made in the background and a million other tiny tid-bits of information that our brain does not focus on. So it is likely that those native tribes, since they had no prior knowledge of a possibility of a ship, their brains chose to ignore that tiny bit of information just like we would 'ignore' and consider it a day dream, if we suddenly saw snow white roller blading accross the street. Its likely those natives also considered it a fragment of their dreams and their brains chose to ignore it. There are alot of possibilities to the story, but about it being as described in the movie, i doubt it. Although the context in which it was used in the movie is very well possible scientifically. |
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Re: What the Bleep Do We Know Movie - Columbus History
From: cybermonsters-ga on 27 Apr 2005 23:08 PDT |
It seems you didn't read the previous statements. This sounds like a plant. I'd ask Google to close this question. |
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