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Subject: Peace and Freindship treaty between the U.S. and Morocco
Category: Relationships and Society
Asked by: littleronnie-ga
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Posted: 28 Jun 2005 11:59 PDT
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Question ID: 537922
Why did the Sultan of Morocco sign a treaty with the Americans who
owned slaves from Africa in 1787? Wouldn't he want to punish any
people that would subject people from his empire to such
atrocities?and what is the meaning of a Moorish person? if your in
Morocco, wouldn't that make you Moroccan?

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 28 Jun 2005 12:22 PDT
littleronnie-ga,

History is replete with examples of nations that have turned their
backs on some of their own peoples, as the US did with the Native
Americans, Nazis did with the Jews, and the North Irish are doing this
very day.  You're assuming that the Sultan of Morocco cared for the
enslaved people, but that may not be the case.  Do you have any reason
to suppose that he did?

As for Moors, that is a term that refers to the nomadic people of the
northern Africa (Morocco included), and is related to the country
name, Mauretania.  People from Morocco can certainly be called
"Moroccans", but they have often, in history, also been referred to as
Moors.

With this as background, what sort of information would you like to
have as an answer to your question?

pafalafa-ga

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 28 Jun 2005 12:24 PDT
And in addition, I'm not sure that very many slaves actually
originated in Morocco, as opposed to more southern parts of Africa.

Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 28 Jun 2005 14:23 PDT
The slaves owned by Americans in the late 18th century were Negroes.
Moroccans, however, were and still are mainly Berbers and Arabs. So
there was no reason for the Sultan to be angry at the Americans for
having black slaves; he certainly did not care for those people at
all. Besides, buying, selling and owning slaves was absolutely normal
in Morocco (as in all regions of North Africa) at that time. So even
slavery as such was not something the Sultan would have detested.

Scriptor

Clarification of Question by littleronnie-ga on 28 Jun 2005 21:02 PDT
The Sultan of Morocco had a vast empire that spanned accross many
lands in Africa and it would be insane to not care for his own
subjects in africa and let foreign Europeans take his people and
subject them to the atrocities of european slavery. Which was very
different to slavery practiced in more civilized lands. There were no
negros or black people in Africa. That term was made up by those
people in the U.S. THe only Arab is in Arabia. Do not mix up Moslem
countries with Arab countries, this is a big misconception in today's
society. Iranians are not Arabs, Iraquis are not Arabs, Egyptions are
not Arabs and Moroccans or Moors are not Arabs. Africa is a continant
made up of many different nationalities and many of those nations were
subject to and under the protection of the Sultan of Morocco.

Request for Question Clarification by czh-ga on 28 Jun 2005 22:15 PDT
Hello littleronnie-ga,

You?ve asked some very interesting questions. Some of them could be
researched and answered while others would be a matter of opinion and
interpretation.

I would be happy to research the question of the 1787 treaty between
the US and Morocco. My preliminary research shows that the ?Kingdom of
Morocco was among the first outside powers to recognize America as a
state. In fact, our 1787 Treaty of Peace and Friendship is the longest
standing U.S. treaty still in force."

http://www.disam.dsca.mil/pubs/INDEXES/journals/Journal_Index/v.21_4/gabriel.pdf
The Strategic Importance of Morocco and the Mediterranean Region

I?m sure it will be possible to find background information on how the
treaty came about, including the motivations of the two parties.

The question of the motivation of the Sultan and his feelings about
American slavery might be difficult, if not impossible, to find.

Your question, ?What is the meaning of a Moorish person?? is an
entirely different question. My initial research found some discussion
forum postings along the lines of your comments here. This is a highly
charged subject for some people and it might not be possible to give a
satisfactory answer.

http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread.php?t=1150
Moorish ancestry of America

It seems to me that you would have much better luck getting your
questions answered if you posted it as separate questions for each of
your topics.

Good luck.

~ czh ~
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Subject: Re: Peace and Freindship treaty between the U.S. and Morocco
Answered By: politicalguru-ga on 29 Jun 2005 00:21 PDT
 
Dear Little Ronnie, 

Your concepts of accountability are ones that are pretty novel. In the
Moroccan Empire, slavery and slave trade was a norm. Muslim rulers in
Northern Africa profited from the slave trade and did not view those
enslaved as "their own people". More than that, even Islam did not
protect the enslaved:

"Despite the complaints of legal scholars like the Ahmad Baba of
Timbuktu (1556-1627) against the enslavement of Muslims, many of the
Sudanic states enslaved their captives both pagan and Muslim."
(SOURCE: "Africa And The Africans In The Age Of The Atlantic Slave
Trade", <http://history-world.org/Africa%20in%20the%20age%20of%20the%20slave%20trade.htm>).

Moreover, some Muslim leaders have justified Jihad (holy war) against
Muslims that were perceived as "heathen" (basically, Muslims are not
to wage war against another Muslim) and as the norm of the time was,
captives were enslaved. (see more in the link above).

Unfortunately, unlike what you have claimed in your comment regarding
the Moroccans, they did perceived their sub-Saharan and Sahel subjects
as "different".

First, it might be a cultural one. Unlike what you claim, both
Moroccans and Egyptians certainly adhere to the definition of an Arab:
"name originally applied to the Semitic peoples of the Arabian
Peninsula. It now refers to those persons whose primary language is
Arabic. They constitute most of the population of Algeria, Bahrain,
Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Qatar,
Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, the United Arab Emirates, the
West Bank, and Yemen". (Answers.com,
<http://www.answers.com/topic/arab?method=6>). Most Moroccans are not
Berber, and only a tiny part of Egypt's population could speak the
Copt language, usually as a second-language.

The difference is of course not a difference in language, but also in
"race": "While it is true that the Muslims of the Middle East took
slaves of all colors and ethnicities,  they considered white slaves
more valuable than black ones and developed racist attitudes toward
the darker skinned people.

Even the famous Arab philosopher Ibn Khaldun, expressed racist
attitudes toward black Africans: ?The only people who accept slavery
are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and their
proximity to the animal stage,? Khaldun wrote. Another Arab writer, of
the 14th Century, asked: ?Is there anything more vile than black
slaves, of less good and more evil than they?? " (SOURCE:  Susan
Stephan, "Two Views of The History of Islamic Slavery in Africa",
Faith Freedom, <http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SStephan/islamic_slavery.htm>).

Religious difference also comes to mind, as a very important factor.
Those who were enslaved were usually - though not always - "heathens",
that is, believers in animistic belief systems. Non-Muslims, in
general, were not equal members of Muslim societies, and in case of
"infidels" and "pagans", they did not even receive the protection that
"people of the book" (Christians and Jews) deserved: they were to
choose between Islam and the sword.

And naturally, above all, the economic factor comes to mind. The
Moroccan empire profited from the slave trade: from the slave routes
passing through (and ending in Marrakech), to other, indirect, gains:
originally, the areas of the Sahel and Sub-Saharan africa were
conquested because of gold and salt mines that existed there. In
total, Murray Gordon estimated (1989) that some 11 million
Sahel/Sub-Saharan Africans were enslaved by North African Arabs
(Stephan, ibid); Segal has a much higher estimation, that of 30
million (SOURCE: "The Scourge of Slavery",
<http://www.christianaction.org.za/articles_ca/2004-4-TheScourgeofSlavery.htm>).
Baepler (1999) brought narratives of Europeans and Americans, who have
been enslaved in Northern Africa, and estimates that there were scores
of those slaves. (Stephan, ibid).

One of the reasons for the 1787 treaty was again, economic: 
"The Sultan's overture was part of a new policy he was implementing as
a result of his recognition of the need to establish peaceful
relations with the Christian powers and his desire to establish trade
as a basic source of revenue. Faced with serious economic and
political difficulties, he was searching for a new method of governing
which required changes in his economy. Instead of relying on a
standing professional army to collect taxes and enforce his authority,
he wanted to establish state-controlled maritime trade as a new, more
reliable, and regular source of income which would free him from
dependency on the services of the standing army. The opening of his
ports to America and other states was part of that new policy.

The Sultan issued a declaration on December 20, 1777, announcing that
all vessels sailing under the American flag could freely enter
Moroccan ports. The Sultan stated that orders had been given to his
corsairs to let the ship ""des Americains"" and those of other
European states with which Morocco had no treaties-Russia Malta,
Sardinia, Prussia, Naples, Hungary, Leghorn, Genoa, and Germany-pass
freely into Moroccan ports. There they could ""take refreshments"" and
provisions and enjoy the same privileges as other nations that had
treaties with Morocco. This action, under the diplomatic practice of
Morocco at the end of the 18th century, put the United States on an
equal footing with all other nations with which the Sultan had
treaties. By issuing this declaration, Morocco became one of the first
states to acknowledge publicly the independence of the American
Republic."
(SOURCE: Andalous.com, <http://www.andalous.com/USAMorocco.asp>). 

This doesn't imply that slavery was prohibited in Morocco. Lewis (1994) writes: 
"?In 1842 the British Consul General in Morocco, as part of his
government's worldwide endeavor to bring about the abolition of
slavery or at least the curtailment of the slave trade, made
representations to the sultan of that country asking him what
measures, if any, he had taken to accomplish this desirable objective.
The sultan replied, in a letter expressing evident astonishment, that
?the traffic in slaves is a matter on which all sects and nations have
agreed from the time of the sons of Adam . . . up to this day.? The
sultan continued that he was ?not aware of its being prohibited by the
laws of any sect, and no one need ask this question, the same being
manifest to both high and low and requires no more demonstration than
the light of day.?"
(SOURCE: John Stringer, "Poems of the Week: The Abolition of Slavery",
<http://www.themediadrome.com/content/articles/words_articles/poems_abolition_slavery.htm>).

Another reason was internal: to maintain, or achieve, an internal
stability, which was a problem in Morocco: "Mawlay Muhammad ibn
'Abdulla (r. 1757-90) consolidated his power by overcoming Wadaya
resentment of the Berbers at Fez in 1760, and during his reign he had
to suppress Sanhaja revolts from the mountains. He made a trade treaty
with Marseilles in 1767 and founded the port of Mogador. Muhammad
ordered a thousand 'Abid transferred from Miknasa to Tangier in 1775.
When they refused, he dispersed them to several cities, causing
turmoil that lasted seven years. This lack of security and a plague
reduced the population of Morocco from five million to three million.
The Sultan reduced taxes, imported grain without a profit, gave bread
to the poor, provided money to tribal chiefs, and punished the
rebellious 'Abid. Later he justified extra taxes to pay the army in
order to keep the peace. He followed Maliki rituals but adopted
Wahhabi beliefs, even destroying books." (SOURCE: Africa and Slavery,
Morocco, <http://www.san.beck.org/1-13-Africa1500-1800.html#5>).

As for the Moors Sundry Act, and other referrences to "Moors" in
American culture after (and before) this treaty, it is because of the
cultural connotations of the term "Moor" at that time. The term
"Moroccan", and certainly not "citizen of Morocco", did not exist at
that time: these are modern terms. You can read more about what a
"Moor" means here:
Wikipedia, Moors (Meaning), <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_(meaning)>. 

According to the law: "Moors Sundry Act passed by South Carolina
legislature, granting special status to the subjects of Sultan of
Morocco. It recognized Moors as "white" people with Jury duty as a
privilege. Moors were not to be subjected to laws governing Blacks and
slaves."

So, the reason that this term was used, was to distinguish what was
perceived as a "Moor" (given specific cultural denotions) from a
"Negro".

I hope this answers your question. Please contact me if you need any
clarification on this answer before you rate it.

Request for Answer Clarification by littleronnie-ga on 29 Jun 2005 10:40 PDT
I apreciate your efforts of trying to answer my questions, but it
seems to raise new questions from your answers. For example, I know my
definition for Moor is person or persons decendant of Moroccans, not
necessarily from Morocco. Morocco had a vast empire long ago. We have
heard of Shakespear's Moor, Othello. We have heard of the Moors ruling
Spain from 711 A.D. until 1492. These people were Moors but not
Moroccan. When I looked at correspondence during the time of the
treaty between the U.S. and Morocco, I noticed Moor peppered throuhout
and wondered why is the destinction between Moroccan and Moor?
shouldn't they be one in the same. The Arab question, all the nations
in Africa are Africans, Their race is Asiatic just like the Arabs of
Arabia. All of their nationalities can be traced to the ancient
nationalities of olden time, Moabites are directly linked to modern
day nation of Moors. Hittites, Israelites, Cushites, Hamitites and
Caananites. Popular beleif that the human race began in the land of
Caanan, in the city of Mecca(Garden of Eden). Ham and his son Cush
left this land of Caanan and went into Africa and proceeded to divide
up the land in what is now Ethiopia, meaning demarcation line.
Cushites took dominion over North-East and South-East Africa while his
father Ham(Hamitites) took dominion over North-West and South-West
Africa. My point of all of this is there is no distinction in race.
Over the years of land division there are many different nationalities
but races have not changed. Now, back to the treaty, I know there were
many economical advantages to making this treaty. But I can't help but
think that a poor 13 colonies would need the help of an established
powerful nation such as Morocco far more than Morocco would need them.
I would go as far to say if Morocco does not reconize the U.S. as a
new nation, no other nation would have reconized them either. And so
could never exist as it does today. I also beleive that the great
nation of England could have easily crushed the rebelion of the 13
colonies with their very strong navy alone. But a more powerful navy
at the time would have interceded on the side of the poor little
colonies, that navy belonging to the Sultan of Morocco. The last thing
you touched on was the Sundry Free Moors. I am aware of this act but I
have not been able to locate the exact document and what happened to
those Moors? I beleive it was a group of 2 or 3 families, I think one
of their names were Samuel. Where are their ancestors? And if these
Moors were enslaved then it is concievable that many more were
enslaved also. This further proves that Moors(Moroccans) looked just
like the negros or blacks of the time. This also raises an intriging
concept that "white" does not mean the color of your skin. It
obviously gave you rights as a human citizen. Something that a freed
slave, negro or black could never have even to this day. If the Sultan
cared about those Sundry Moors who looked just like all the other
slaves, why would he not care about them as well? Did the Sultan have
an embassy in America? and if so where was it located? My personal
opinion is that the Sultan had no idea of how barbaric and brutal
european slavery was. Slavery in Islamic countries were a means for
poor destitute people to get back on there feet and make a new life
for themselves. Slavery in America obviously stripped you of your
identity so that you could never find out your true heritage where by
being able to keep you and your ancestors enslaved too. the sub-human
treatment is inexcusable and is why my original question was raised.
Also history likes to portray the Europeans as coming ashore to the
many powerful nations of Africa throwing a net over some savages and
bringing them back to America to serve them. I know this is not the
case so I wondered how the first nation to reconize the 13 colonies as
a nation in its own right would be an african nation and would allow
it's own people to be mistreated and brutalized right under its nose?

Clarification of Answer by politicalguru-ga on 29 Jun 2005 11:39 PDT
Well Little Ronnie, 

You've certainly risen many new questions. 

Let me refer to them: 
"Definition of a Moor as a Moroccan" - You are correct in your claim
that the term has existed before this denotion, but this still
wouldn't change the fact that this was the way that Moroccans were
defined by Europeans at that time. Again, terms such as "Morocco" are
part of nation-state notions, and do not belong to the 18th century.
In Arabic, by the way, it is not called "Morocco" at all. It is called
- to this day - "Al Mamlakah al Maghribiyah " (The Western Kingdom,
Maghreb means "Western" in Arabic).

Incentive and motivation on behalf of Morocco - rightly so, this also
seems puzzling: why would an established country recognise the 13
colonies in the other end of the world, when no one else had? However,
you have to remember that neither the colonies nor Morocco conducted
their business in a vacuum. Maybe I wasn't so clear on the other
external pressures on Morocco: European powers in the Mediterranean
and, of course, the superpower of the Muslim world (at that time), the
Ottoman Empire. Both pressured Morocco, so perhaps it wasn't so
surprising that the Sultan has sought allies in the most unexpected
corners.

Here is a little more interesting information about the Sundry Moors: 
Moorunity
<http://moorunity.ghostchild.com/index.php?topic=29.new> 

The petition gives us some information on the consequences, under
which these Moroccan subjects have been captured:
"your Petitioners some years past had the misfortune while fighting in
the defence of their Country, to be captured with their wives and made
prisoners of War by one of the Kings of Africa. That a certain Captain
Clark had them delivered to him on a promise that they should be
redeemed by the Emperor of Morocco?s Ambassador then residing in
England, in order to have them returned to their own Country: Instead
of which he brought them to this State, and sold them for slaves"
(ibid).

This might also explain why there was an extra-concern in this case,
that hasn't been shown in other cases.

As for your statement that "This also raises an intriging concept that
"white" does not mean the color of your skin. It obviously gave you
rights as a human citizen. Something that a freed slave, negro or
black could never have even to this day."

I really recommend an interesting fiction book that empahsise your point further: 
The Tragedy of Pudd'nhead Wilson by Mark Twain
Free copy as an etext: University of Virginia
<http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/browse-mixed-new?id=Twa2Pud&tag=public&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed>

"Slavery in Islamic countries were a means for poor destitute people
to get back on there feet and make a new life for themselves."
This is unfortunately not true at all. It is true that the nature of
slavery is totally different: slavery in the European colonies in
America was mass-organised, plantation slavery. However, most slaves
in Muslim countries, were captives, usually from conquests, and not
people who chose to enslave themselves. Children have been kidnapped
to serve as eunuchs; and older ones, teenagers, or young adults, as
soldiers. It is, however, probable, that the Sultan was not aware of
the conditions of slaves in the United States.

"I know this is not the case so I wondered how the first nation to
reconize the 13 colonies as a nation in its own right would be an
african nation and would allow it's own people to be mistreated and
brutalized right under its nose?".

Again, obviously, the Maghreb Kingdom did not view itself as "African"
but as an Islamic one. They did not identify themselves with
non-Muslims in sub-Saharan africa and were also culturally different.
Those slaves who were, apparently, "Moroccan" subjects, were captured
(one can only assume, in war or similar circumstances) by another
kingdom, which explains any effort to free them, but to be indifferent
to the fate of others. Since there were strong African kingdoms (as
you say yourself), it is pretty clear that someone (or, in fact, moer
than one "someone") in Africa profited in the way and viewed those who
were enslaved as inhuman in any case, and an "African Unity" did not
exist.

Two interesting, though off-topic, issues that I recommend that you'll
read about (regarding the profit of some Africans from the slave
trade):
- The reaction of the locals in Liberia to the "Americans", the
returning freed slaves (and vice versa).
- The sad history of the "Gold Coast" (*Ghana*) during the slave-trade period.
Comments  
Subject: Re: Peace and Freindship treaty between the U.S. and Morocco
From: czh-ga on 29 Jun 2005 02:30 PDT
 
Very interesting answer, politicalguru-ga. I learned a lot. Fascinating.

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