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Who owns software developed by an LLC member
Category: Business and Money Asked by: localhost-ga List Price: $15.00 |
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29 Jul 2005 10:03 PDT
Expires: 28 Aug 2005 10:03 PDT Question ID: 549456 |
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Re: Who owns software developed by an LLC member
From: ipfan-ga on 29 Jul 2005 12:23 PDT |
Is the developer an employee of the LLC or just a member? Unless the developer is an employee of the LLC or has signed an agreement assigning the copyright to the LLC, the developer retains ownership of the copyright on the facts as you've stated them. |
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Re: Who owns software developed by an LLC member
From: ipfan-ga on 29 Jul 2005 12:30 PDT |
Assuming the developer is neither an employee nor is there a signed assignment document, the developer may license rights to the software to the LLC on any terms the developer sees fit. A member of an LLC has no fiducicary duty to assign rights to intellectual property owned by the member to the LLC. The other members failed in THEIR fiduciary duty to the LLC by not securing a written assignment of copyright to the code from the developer, if indeed the code is mission critical to the LLC. The developer should, when the code is complete, also register his or her copyright in the code with the Copyright Office. Question: are there any "joint authors" of the code, i.e., did any other person make signficant contributions to the code's authorship or is the code based in large part on preexisting content (some other source or object code)? |
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Re: Who owns software developed by an LLC member
From: localhost-ga on 29 Jul 2005 13:01 PDT |
I posted a clarification to answer ipfan's questions |
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Re: Who owns software developed by an LLC member
From: ipfan-ga on 29 Jul 2005 15:34 PDT |
Determining whether the developer was an "employee," despite the absence of a singed employment agreement, is critical. Please apply the 20 factors found at http://www.toolkit.cch.com/text/P07_1115.asp and tell us what the results are. |
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Re: Who owns software developed by an LLC member
From: localhost-ga on 29 Jul 2005 19:57 PDT |
I posted another clarification. Thank you, so far, for this help, this has been quite useful. |
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Re: Who owns software developed by an LLC member
From: cjhowe-ga on 31 Jul 2005 14:41 PDT |
What were the contributions of each member and how do members share in profit and loss? |
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Re: Who owns software developed by an LLC member
From: ipfan-ga on 01 Aug 2005 07:39 PDT |
You ask: "Does that mean that works done by independent contractors are not necessarily 'works for hire?'" By definition, works done by independent contractors are NOT works made for hire under copyright law unless certain prerequisites are fulfilled. A work made for hire is either (a) a work created by an employee (hence the need for the foregoing analysis) or (b) a work created by an independent contractor if the work is a work "specially ordered or commissioned for use as a contribution to a collective work, as a part of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, as a translation, as a supplementary work, as a compilation, as an instructional text, as a test, as answer material for a test, or as an atlas, [AND] the parties expressly agree in a written instrument signed by them that the work shall be considered a work made for hire." See 17 USC Section 101 (definition of work made for hire). The code was not written by an employee as far as I can tell based on your 20 factors analysis, nor was it within the statutory definition in quotes above, so unless the developer actually signed a contract assigning the rights in the code to the LLC, it seems pretty clear to me that the developer owns it. If I were the developer's attorney, I would encourage him or her to register the copyright immediately and then approach the LLC about taking an actual written license since if the LLC is permitted to continue to use the code absent a written license, an implied license might be found to have been created by the parties' conduct, and that's bad since implied licenses have no express terms, and that's bad for the copyright owner. There is a lesson here for anyone engaging a non-employee to create copyrightable work?get an assignment of the copyright in writing! |
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Re: Who owns software developed by an LLC member
From: neutralobserver-ga on 01 Aug 2005 09:30 PDT |
cjhowe's question is very good because the LLC may argue that the developer "contributed" the code, and that would work an assignment. What does the member contribution agreement say? |
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Re: Who owns software developed by an LLC member
From: localhost-ga on 01 Aug 2005 10:47 PDT |
I posted a clarification in response to cjhowe's question on contribution. |
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Re: Who owns software developed by an LLC member
From: ipfan-ga on 01 Aug 2005 11:56 PDT |
After all this back and forth, I cannot think of a scenario in which the LLC could successfully claim rights to the code. I think the developer owns it and I think he should register the copyright and propose a written license to the LLC immediately. If the lLC balks, the developer should simply tell them that he owns the code and that they need to prove otherwise and that without a license going forward they can not use the software. Based on what you've indicated here, I do not think they can refute that. Where is the source code? Does the developer have it or does the LLC? He needs to get the source code back from the LLC before he drops this bomb on them, otherwise they may prevent him from getting access to their copy and then he's got no leverage in a licensing situation without actually suing the LLC for copyright infringement. |
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Re: Who owns software developed by an LLC member
From: localhost-ga on 01 Aug 2005 12:57 PDT |
The developer has it, physically. In fact, no other member of the LLC has seen it or possessed it. Some have disputed its existence (thinking that he has overstated his progress and is covering up by not showing the code). He refuses to show the code citing that not doing so works in his favor in the matter of copyright (they cannot register a copyright without media can they?). The LLC can make a case that he has failed his fiduciary duty in this respect and terminate his interest per the operating agreement. The developer does not seem to mind this outcome as his goal remains only copyright. |
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