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Subject: tracing a US Navy clock
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: laurelv-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 31 Jul 2005 08:46 PDT
Expires: 30 Aug 2005 08:46 PDT
Question ID: 550045
The case is made of black Bakelite. It is about 7 5/8 inches inches in
diameter and approx 2 3/8 thick. The clock dial is black with white
numerals and has white hands. On the face it is marked SETH THOMAS  US
NAVY 111706. Also the actual glass area of the face is approx 5 1/2
inches in diameter.
I am wondering how to find out what ship this clock might have been
on/come from or any other information about the background of this
particular clock.

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 31 Jul 2005 11:14 PDT
I don't know of any way to trace this particular clock to one ship but
I can tell you something about this TYPE of clock. Is that sufficient?

tutuzdad-ga

Clarification of Question by laurelv-ga on 31 Jul 2005 16:05 PDT
well is telling me something about the closk an answer that pays the
$20?  or do i wait in case some one else come up with something?  This
is the first time I have used Google Answers so I don't know what to
do now.  I am fairly sure your comments are correct.

laurel

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 31 Jul 2005 18:01 PDT
The decision is yours. You may wait and see if someone else posts
something more substantial or you can choose to accept the information
I have given you. If you want to wait, my comments cost you nothing.
If you choose to accept my comments as an answer then I will claim the
fee. That's how it works. Rather than post my information as an answer
I chose to put the decision back in your hands.

tutuzdad-ga
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Subject: Re: tracing a US Navy clock
From: tutuzdad-ga on 31 Jul 2005 13:06 PDT
 
Dear laurelv-ga;

Please read this and let me know what you think:

As I mentioned, it is probably impossible to trace your clock back to
one particular ship because there were literally thousands of these
clocks, and dozens of them on military ships alone ? and that?s not
even taking into account civilian, foreign, mercenary or merchant
marine ships of the time.

Since bakelite doesn?t go back all that far, I suspect that your clock
can be dated to about 1938 (when Westclock and Seth Thomas began
installing a compliment of 64 maritime clocks aboard aircraft carriers
a compliment of 77 Seth Thomas® nautical clocks aboard most
battleships), and about 1955 when bakelite products began seeing a
commercial decline.

THE CLOCK DEPOT
http://www.theclockdepot.com/seth-thomas-clocks.html

Here you will see an example of one white-on-black Seth Thomas
nautical clock known as a ?bell clock?. This particular example is
made of a combination of heavy black pot metal, aluminum and Bakelite,
and is valued at about US$1000:

ANTIQUES OF THE SEA
http://www.antiquesofthesea.com/0694_seth_black.html

Earlier versions of this clock (1870?s-1930?s) did not have an
internal bell and were commonly made of brass. The bell external was
mounted below the clock face and was noted for ringing quite loudly.
As clocks became more affordable and brass was phased out as the
primary material from which the clocks were made, a particularly loud
bell was no longer necessary as there were clocks with internal bells
posted all over a ship (as I mentioned, WWII ships came standard with
nearly 100 clocks onboard).

A & A GAINES ANTIQUES
1870?s http://www.aagaines.com/clocks/swheel.html

ANTIQUE WALL CLOCK PRICE GUIDE
1910?s http://www.antiqueclockspriceguide.com/pages/clock9565.php

These clocks kept the time of the ship, which in naval jargon is
measured by ?bells?. Traditionally, a 24-hour day is divided into
seven watches. These are: midnight to 4 a.m. [0000-0400], the
mid-watch; 4 to 8 a.m. [0400-0800], morning watch; 8 a.m. to noon
[0800-1200], forenoon watch; noon to 4 p.m. [1200-1600], afternoon
watch; 4 to 6 p.m. [1600-1800] first dog watch; 6 to 8 p.m.
[1800-2000], second dog watch; and, 8 p.m. to midnight [2000-2400],
evening watch. The half hours of the watch are marked by the striking
the bell an appropriate number of times.

So, as you can see, each watch is four hours in length. One bell is
struck after the first half-hour has passed, two bells after one hour
has passed, three bells after an hour and a half, four bells after two
hours, and so forth up to eight bells are struck at the completion of
the four hours. Completing a watch with no incidents to report was
what spawned the legendary cry, "Eight bells and all is well."

The practice of keeping time by means of bells dates back even further
than ships clocks. In earlier times it was the responsibility of the
ships ?boy? to keep track of the time using an hourglass, and to
literally hand ring a bell on the ship?s deck to announce the arrival
of each hour.


Again, I know of no means of tracing a clock back to one particular
ship, but if this information answers your question about the general
background of the clock please let me know so I can repost it.

Best regards;
Tutuzdad ? Google Answers Researcher
Subject: Re: tracing a US Navy clock
From: tutuzdad-ga on 31 Jul 2005 13:13 PDT
 
You may also be interested to know that the Seth Thomas Clock Company
eventually became a part of General Time Instrument Company (now
TIMEX).

tutuzdad
Subject: Re: tracing a US Navy clock
From: drackman-ga on 07 Aug 2005 16:46 PDT
 
There is an antiques dealer selling a clock that looks similar to what
you have described.  Navigate to the following site:

http://www.goantiques.com/search/item_detail.jsp?id=893879

If you contact the dealer, "The Red School House," they may be able to
tell you more.
Subject: Re: tracing a US Navy clock
From: bellclocks-ga on 20 Aug 2005 22:06 PDT
 
The best way to find anything out about a particular clock is to go
directly to the manufacturer. Seth Thomas is now a division of the
Colibri Group and you can contact them online here:

http://www.seththomas.com/contact.cfm

Try to find a serial number somewhere on the back of clock and include
this information when you write them. You will more than likely not
get the name of the ship, but you might get specific information on
the year, maybe the plant it was made and how many of them were made.

Regards,
bellclocks.com

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