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Subject:
Life Settlement Industry
Category: Business and Money > Finance Asked by: acquire1-ga List Price: $40.00 |
Posted:
30 Sep 2005 09:23 PDT
Expires: 30 Oct 2005 08:23 PST Question ID: 574659 |
I need specific information regarding the Life Settlement Industry. Life Settlements are existing life insurance policies, sold in the secondary market. Investors buy these policies based on Life Expectancies attributed to the insured by underwriting companies. If the Life expectancy is off, the investors may suffer losses. It is my belief therefore, that the widespread practice of investors is to purchase reinsurance, to cover themselves in a case where the insured exceeds his Life Expectancy. This is my question: I need a list off all these reinsurance or bonding companies. Their contact numbers or website. The underwriting companies they use to determine the Life Expectancy. Their credit rating. I currently have three of them, LSRM, PCI, IFS, but there should be more and better established. GO GET THEM |
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Subject:
Re: Life Settlement Industry
From: myoarin-ga on 30 Sep 2005 18:17 PDT |
Greetings, This subject has been raised before: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=518132 As I understand it, "life settlements" are usually pooled to create a fund, so it is not just a one-on-one bet on the actuarial statistics, but rather the investor is buying a pool, so that the actuarial statistics average out. Furthermore, the pricing for buying the policies adds a cushion. The investors - not the people who arrange life settlement funds - are individuals who would not have access to the reinsurance market. If there are professional organisations investing, they will be more cognizant of the fine points and also forego the expense of reinsurance. Myoarin |
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Re: Life Settlement Industry
From: acquire1-ga on 01 Oct 2005 18:06 PDT |
myoarin: Thanks for the link and comments. I must say however that it does not resolve my question. You assume that the investors usually pool their money together to spread the risk. However there are small investors, who don't want to pool their assets with other investors, and thereby pay a hefty premium. Insurance companies like the ones I reference in my question are there to service the smaller investor. What I am looking for, is for a reliable company with a solid credit rating . acquire1 |
Subject:
Re: Life Settlement Industry
From: myoarin-ga on 02 Oct 2005 06:58 PDT |
Greetings Acquire1, Thanks for your reply. Having looked at the sites of those three entities, I am still of the opinion that life settlements are purchased by investment companies which create a pool and sell participations to individual investors. That is what the sites suggest. The "small investor" is served by having this "packaging" done for him. As one site mentioned, the minimum investment would be $50,000, probably less than an idividual life insurance policy. Besides, most people would prefer not to buy a life settlement on just one individual, betting on the person's dying before the time used to calculate the price. Let me say personally, I have no problem with the concept of life settlements. As to the bonding of such, I found it "intriguing" that LSRM, a UK company, uses an Italian insurer. From this site, I understand "# Tier 3- Contestability cover plus Extended Longevity for 6% premium. For investors wanting full coverage for both Contestable and Extended Longevity at LE+1." http://www.lsrm.co.uk/contestability_cover.htm A 6% premium on the chance that a whole portfolio of life settlements runs to "extended longevity" is also "a hefty premium". With IFS, I was "intrigued" that the bonder is on the small Pacific island Venuatu: http://www.ifslimited.com/solutions.html Here are the pages from PCI: http://www.investoffshoredirect.com/Default/PCI_Investment_Management http://www.investoffshoredirect.com/Default/Lansdown_Atlantic_Life_Settlement_Fund http://www.investoffshoredirect.com/Default/Traded_Life_Policies Note, in the last site it says: "The following list of special policy offerings are offered as fractions of actual single policies currently on sale by the current owners." The offer is for a participation in a pool. Looking again at your comment, I don't know how a single investor could find a single life policy holder that wanted to sell the policy, and then find a bonder to cover the "Extended Longevity" (besides my questioning the bonders mentioned). If you feel that I have misunderstood the subject, please feel free to say so. Regards, Myoarin |
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Re: Life Settlement Industry
From: acquire1-ga on 02 Oct 2005 12:14 PDT |
Myoarin: Thanks again for your time, and insight. I would like to direct you to the following site. It is there that I got two of the Bonding companies I reference. http://www.profinancialgroupinc.com/index.php?s=15 As you can see, they have what they call "institutional Life Settlement" and "Bonded Life Settlement". The bonded Life Settlement is for the private investor who buys a policy that is insured against extended longevity. This precisely interests me, but I hesitate for two reasons. 1. Who are these bonding companies? Why aren't there any in the United States? 2. I am well connected with brokers and providers and I know that I can get a policy for I much better price on my own. Therefore my question remains are there any reliable bonding/reinsurance companies with an investment grade credit rating? |
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Re: Life Settlement Industry
From: myoarin-ga on 02 Oct 2005 17:32 PDT |
Acquire1, Thanks for the additional information and that link. I agree entirely with your suspicions, and I now understand that the bond (at least in one case) only covers the investment if the person lives 12 months longer that actuarially expected, perhaps more correctly: cover the first year at a lower premium, but then that jumps to a much higher one to cover the eventuality that the person lives more than 12 months longer than expected. Yes, who are the bonders? And why are they based in Veneatu and Costa Rica? And not nearer home? Seems like a reputable source of life settlements would prefer to use a US or European bonder if possible. So, why not?? On that link, the example of a policy, $8.5 million for a couple on the death of the survivor, suddenly made me suspicious. Who would take out such a policy, have had the cash to pay the premiums to do so - and not have known a better investment for his money. Even if the insurance policy were be based on 40 years' life expectancy with a fantastic 10%pa interest (disregarding commission for the insurer), the annual premium would have been more than $19,000. Someone with that kind of money in 1970 would not have put it in a life insurance policy, Sure, there may be the exception, but it does not seem logical if one has any recollection of salaries and investment values back then. My suspicion questions not only if that example is correct but also the seriousness of the firm that uses it as an example. As I mentioned before, I think life settlements can be a good thing for the sellers and that there can be an ethical and honest market for them, but there is also the possibility that the concept is "misused". Regards, Myoarin |
Subject:
Re: Life Settlement Industry
From: acquire1-ga on 02 Oct 2005 20:33 PDT |
Myoarin, I believe there is money to be made not only for the sellers, but for investors. The trick is not to get caught by the imposters. As this industry will mature regulations and oversight will weed out the bad guys, and in the process diminish the rate of return, the old rule of risk versus reward. I believe therefore that the time is now, hence my question where can I find reinsurance and bonding companies that are credible. By the way in the seventies (as it is now) life insurance was a great investment vehicle, mainly for its tax advantages. With estate taxes at 55% most people would want their money paid put as a life insurance payment. acquire1 |
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