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Do you have to use the 568A or 568B ethernet wiring standard? Why or why not?
Category: Computers Asked by: dvati0n-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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05 Oct 2005 18:43 PDT
Expires: 04 Nov 2005 17:43 PST Question ID: 576934 |
I've had many conversations about the proper way to make your own ethernet cables. There are two standards, 568A or 568B. I was always under the impression that you cannot make up your own wiring pin layout because it would cause crosstalk, or interference. I know that when you pick a standard, you should stick with that standard and you should not use another. My question is, can you use any random pinout when wiring your ethernet cables provided that you use it consistently throughout the network? |
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Re: Do you have to use the 568A or 568B ethernet wiring standard? Why or why not?
From: donmorrison-ga on 05 Oct 2005 20:16 PDT |
If you are using a modern piece of equipment it does not matter, because the network interface card will automatically sense which method you chose and do an "internal crossover" if necessary. So, you can do both A, both B, or A to B or B to A, it doesn't matter -- as long as both pieces of equipment being connected aren't as old as you are. ;) |
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Re: Do you have to use the 568A or 568B ethernet wiring standard? Why or why not?
From: donmorrison-ga on 05 Oct 2005 20:27 PDT |
Whoops, I read that wrong.....why would you want to use a random layout? |
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Re: Do you have to use the 568A or 568B ethernet wiring standard? Why or why not?
From: adacprogramming-ga on 05 Oct 2005 22:00 PDT |
Yes, use one of the standard layouts. Each of the pairs of wire has a different number of turns. They are made for certain configurations. Either configuration works as well according to a Pentascanner. If you end up mismatching wires where you get mixed colors in a pair you will greatly reduce the speed that can be used on the cable. |
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Re: Do you have to use the 568A or 568B ethernet wiring standard? Why or why not
From: dvati0n-ga on 06 Oct 2005 04:27 PDT |
"why would you want to use a random layout" Well, that's what I'm getting at. I know people that are convinced you can use any pin layout you want as long as they are the same on both sides of the cable. I don't think this is right because there are only two pairs used. Each of those pairs are twisted around themselves. If you use a randmon pin layout, you lose the ability of the wire to cancel out it's own crosstalk....at least that's what I believe. I just need proof. |
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Re: Do you have to use the 568A or 568B ethernet wiring standard? Why or why not?
From: brady173-ga on 06 Oct 2005 06:12 PDT |
dvati0n-ga - I can tell you from working with local area networks for the past 10 years, that in all reality, it doesn't matter which one you choose, as long as you pick ONE and stick with it throughout your network. BUT : if you want to use the industry standard - which is recommended if you ever want to use any premanufacturered cables, it is suggested to use the more common 568B. I recently wired my entire house for CAT5e, before a fiber-optic installation. The first port I wired was 568A, but after doing research, I went back and made it 568B, and continued with 568B throughout the entire network. Stating that, here is my research on this topic This site explains the difference between the two wiring schemes : http://telecom.tbi.net/enetpins.html More details for residential LAN cabling : http://ceenews.com/mag/electric_residential_lans_hard/ A brief history of data cabling standards : http://www.jimhayes.com/uncleted/structed.html This site specifically talks about crosstalk - but only mentions that you need to keep the wiring twisted to prevent it, not which standard to use : http://www.aptcommunications.com/ncode.htm This site actually has a great definition of crosstalk, as well as a Tutorial as to how to wire, but doesn't come right out and say WHICH standard to use : http://www.lanshack.com/cat5e-tutorial.asp The above site goes on to say that there is NO DIFFERENCE in wiring schemes : "It is very important to note that there is no difference, whatsoever, between the two wiring schemes, in connectivity or performance when connected form one modular device to another (jack to Patch panel, RJ-45 to RJ-45, etc.), so long as they (the two devices) are wired for the same scheme (A or B). The only time when one scheme has an advantage over the other, is when one end of a segment is connected to a modular device, and the other end to a punch block. In which case, the 568A has the advantage of having a more natural progression of pairs at the punch block side. More on 568 A&B later on. " Let me know if that works for you? Brady Google search method : ethernet wiring scheme 568 history Google search method : ethernet wiring scheme 568 crosstalk |
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Re: Do you have to use the 568A or 568B ethernet wiring standard? Why or why not
From: dvati0n-ga on 06 Oct 2005 07:25 PDT |
brady173-ga, Great information...thank you. Just to clarify...I realize that 568A and 568B both work well. This is what I'm getting at: 568A goes like this: PIN - COLOR 1 - W/G ----| 2 - G ----| 3 - W/O --------| 4 - B ----| | 5 - W/B ----| | 6 - O --------| 7 - W/Br ----| B - Br ----| And a similar pin layout for 568B. Both of these standards work for data. I get that. Where I need clarification is whether or not I could use something like this... 1 - W/G ----| 2 - G ----| 3 - B ------| 4 - W/B ------| 5 - O ----| 6 - W/O ----| 7 - W/Br ------| 8 - Br ------| Or this.... 1 - W/G --------| 2 - W/B ----| | 3 - B ----| | 4 - G --------| 5 - O -----------| 6 - Br ----| | 7 - W/Br ----| | 8 - W/O -----------| And most importantly...WHY couldn't I use the above two examples? Is this documented anywhere? |
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Re: Do you have to use the 568A or 568B ethernet wiring standard? Why or why not?
From: beet_root-ga on 08 Oct 2005 08:40 PDT |
Hi, dvati0n. I believe I can answer your question. In one of your last few comments, you wrote: "I know people that are convinced you can use any pin layout you want as long as they are the same on both sides of the cable. I don't think this is right because there are only two pairs used. Each of those pairs are twisted around themselves. If you use a randmon pin layout, you lose the ability of the wire to cancel out it's own crosstalk....at least that's what I believe. I just need proof." You are correct in your belief. Although you COULD theoretically use a random pin layout, it would not be very resistant to interference and crosstalk. You are also correct that the twisting of the pairs is what ensures this resistance. 10BaseT and 100BaseT use two pairs, corresponding to pins 1/2 and 3/6. Here's how the pin assignments are broken down: Pin 1: Transmit + Pin 2: Transmit - Pin 3: Receive + Pin 6: Receive - Because pins 1/2 are used for transmit, and pins 3/6 are used for receive you need to ensure one pair is used for each. If you split pairs--for example connecting orange to pins 1 and 3--you'll lose the ability for the pair to cancel out interference because of the twisting. The other pins, when used for 10/100BaseT, don't matter, and could have a random layout. In fact, you can make a cable using only two pairs, as long as they're connected to pins 1/2 and 3/6. Notice that with both T568A and T568B, pins 1/2 and 3/6 both are configured to use one pair each. For T568A, it's green for 1/2 and orange for 3/6. For T568N, it's orange for 1/2 and green for 3/6. So you may effectively use either wiring standard, as long as you use the same standard on both ends of the cable! BIG NOTE: Everything I wrote above is applicable to 10BaseT and 100BaseT, but NOT 1000BaseT (aka gigabit). For 1000BaseT, all four pairs are used: 1/2, 3/6, 4/5, and 7/8. Notice that if you follow either the T568A or T568B wiring standard, you'll be covered for this as well, since the only difference between the two are swapping of the orange and green pairs. I went digging for some good reference information on this for you to read, and here's a nice page that documents the different wiring standards: http://www.ertyu.org/~steven_nikkel/ethernetcables.html Here's a good article on twisted-pair cable: http://www.answers.com/topic/twisted-pair I hope this helps! Beet Root |
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