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Subject: Google page rank
Category: Computers > Algorithms
Asked by: tman25-ga
List Price: $25.00
Posted: 27 Aug 2002 09:21 PDT
Expires: 26 Sep 2002 09:21 PDT
Question ID: 59081
I would like better page ranking on Google...I have submited my
sites...Googlebot has indexed them but they they are not listed
anywhere using the keywords related to my site. I have incoming links
from popular parking websites...I have meta tags, relevant text
content...I don't know what is going on...Can you offer advice on
helping increase my page rank? My sites are www.parkinglinks.com,
www.valetpark.net, and www.discountairportparking.net
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Subject: Re: Google page rank
Answered By: webadept-ga on 27 Aug 2002 14:58 PDT
 
Hi, 

http://www.parkinglinks.com/ as a page rank of 2 of 10, and is mostly
graphics.

http://www.valetpark.net/ as a page rank of 2 of 10 and is mostly
graphics

http://www.discountairportparking.net/ as a page rank of 1 of 10 an is
using frames.

That's the short answer to your question. None of your sites have a
robots.txt on them, which helps indexing a great deal. If the only
links coming to your sites are from these three sites, this isn't
going to help the page rank very much. Keywords are not used in the
Google system, in fact they aren't used much at all anymore simply
because of the mis-use that has gone on in the past with them.

To get an idea of what a google-bot sees when it goes to your site,
try using the program on this page :

http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/sim_spider.cgi

There are several other small utilities that will help you out on
there as well.

A large FAQ file about Google can be found on this site. 

http://www.searchengineworld.com/spiders/google_faq.htm

And that will help you out a great deal. 

Most importantly check out Google's page about the basics of Do's and
Don'ts located here :
://www.google.com/webmasters/dos.html

Checking for links that Google sees to your url's I found none for
each domain. Use the following three queries for finding links to
these domains.

link:parkinglinks.com
link:valetpark.net
link:discountairportparking.net

It could be that your sites all have a low Page Rank, and therefore
the links aren't noticed, but I'm not sure of that, its only a guess.

I do know that you have set up a menu system that is going through
several different domains, with one page on them each, such as the
limo service goes not to a page on http://www.parkinglinks.com
but to this whole other site  http://www.limo360.com/  The shuttles
button doesn't work at all, or rather points to whatever page its
currently on.

It appears that someone has talked you into a round-robin method of
having several domains that point to each other, all owned by you.
This type of thing is figured out pretty easy these days, and its not
much good for Page Ranking.

You say you have content related keywords, but I don't see them. The
content of the pages is very slight. All of them only have one, or two
pages, so Google doesn't see them as high rating sites to begin with.

They all look good, nice business type profiles there, and they give
the appearance that you are a serious business and someone to at least
consider getting a limo from, but from a robots point of view, there's
just not enough to eat on them.

Scour over that site I gave you with the FAQ's, and read some of his
articles. My site says the same things and most of the other "in the
know" sites say it too. Things have changed in marketing on the web,
and you need to make some changes as well. There is no substitute for
text type content on the web these days. Keywords just don't make it
any more.

Two more things, The first, if you don't have one already get the
Google Bar
http://toolbar.google.com/

It will show you the page rankings for you site. 

The second is : if you are using a program like Web Position Gold,
stop, search engines don't like them and they will take you off the
index completely if you continue.

Thanks, 

webadept-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by tman25-ga on 27 Aug 2002 19:37 PDT
Thank you for answering my question so quickly but I am unclear on one
thing...You mentioned I have no incoming links- I have links on these
sites www.parkingtoday.com, www.classactvalet.com.
www.lapartyplanners.com

I would really like to know what I need to do to get my sites up to
par to rank better on Google...I appreciate the links to articles on
searchenginewatch, but honestly  I am really confused about all this
page rank stuff...

I am currently advertising with Adwords (David Dinucci is my adwords
guy, he knows me very well) I love Google, You guys are the best...I
seriously have a Google sticker on my car...I will name my first born
Google... Please help out a devoted fan...

Thank you

Clarification of Answer by webadept-ga on 27 Aug 2002 20:03 PDT
Well lets see if I can make this clearer for you. Your methods are
hurting you. You are building sites by mixing parts of sites with each
other. As robertskelton-ga  pointed out you are using parts of other
sites in frames on one site, and you are round-robining your linking
system. Really, other than using spam mail to advertise your site,
there isn't much you aren't doing that will keep you in the low rating
area.

What you have to do. 

Take out all links to your other sites, on each site. 

Make all sites at least 5 pages in size and add some pages with some
text. I do't mean a few sentences, I mean a few pages of text. Talk
about your business, your customers your limos, your features... in
text.

Each site should stand on its own with its own pages. 

Do not use frames and take out some of the pictures. 

Using Adwords is not a method of getting a higher ranking, you can not
pay for a higher listing, it is not possible with Google. You're
Adwords will help bring traffic, just like mine do, but they do not
place you higher in the search listings.

Add a robots.txt to each site. You have the metatag but that's not
going to cut it at this point. You need the robots.txt.

Once you have all that done, then wait two weeks and resubmit your
site. Page listings will probably rise. At that point add one link
from each site to one of the other sites.

webadept-ga

Clarification of Answer by webadept-ga on 27 Aug 2002 20:05 PDT
p.s.

Google doesn't want your first born or your money, just well formed
pages to index. :-)
Comments  
Subject: Re: Google page rank
From: robertskelton-ga on 27 Aug 2002 15:33 PDT
 
I don't know for sure, but having someone else's site within a frame
on your index page, http://www.discountairportparking.net/, might be
looked down upon. Usually when this is done, it is to gain revenue
through an affiliate scheme, without adding any unique content - which
makes it worthless to the person searching, as it is just a duplicate
of another site.

http://www.valetpark.net/
Search engines favour text closer to the top of the page. I suggest
dumping the main graphic in the center of the page, and replacing it
with regular text formatted using CSS, but keep the animated yellow
and red part.

The #1 thing you can do is get some links pointing to your sites, that
come from outside your circle of sites.
Subject: Re: Google page rank
From: xemion-ga on 27 Aug 2002 22:05 PDT
 
I would just like to point out that it is OK to use frames with
Google.  It's not always the best solution, but sometimes it is.  It
does work and to great success sometime.  It sounds like you misuing
though and I would follow webadept's advice.  I just want to point out
that frames are ok if used properly (i.e., never put someone else's
website in one of your frames).  However, always have "noframes"
content!

It is also not necessary to include robots.txt files.  The default
settings will do just fine.  The robots.txt file are useful when there
are some pages you don't want to indexed, but by default google will
index them all.

Thirdly, programs such as WebPositionGold do greatly help your search
engine optimization.  They are not "cheating" or "unethical" when used
properly.  They merely critique your current website and give you
suggest from improving it's search engine optimization.  WebPosition
Gold would have told you pretty much everything that's been told to
you so far.

As webadept pointed out, your metatags are completely useless.  Google
doesn't even look at them.  You must have textual content on your
website.  Put your keywords in your title (really important).

Most importantly of all, get lots of good links!  That's most
important by far!


I hope this helps you.  It ended up being a lot longer than I thought
it would be :-)

xemion-ga

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