Reason this answer was rejected by
mjd-ga:
Below I will repost the comment I made when rating the answer:
Hi,
Thanks for your time and effort. However, your response is not useful
to me, because I am looking for studies. The information you have
provided in your answer generally consists of statements without
references to supporting studies. I am looking for references to
medical journal articles.
I looked at your answer carefully to find any information that would
be useful to me. Here is my analysis, if you're interested:
1.) As a preface you present some general information about ADD, and
you reference
<http://www.etenet.com/Apps/Library/Corporate.asp?ID=23>
I didn�t ask for this information, but thanks anyway.
2)
�The habit-forming potential is high. Psychological and physical
dependence is possible. Addiction is rare in children but a problem
with adults.� Refer to <http://www.psyweb.com/Drughtm/dexed.html>.
Also,
please note the rare (though not necessarily long-term) side effects
of taking Dexadrine.
This is basically the same information that pharmacies give me
whenever I get a prescription filled. Not what I asked for, but
thanks.
3).
�It is important to note that the Drug Enforcement Administration
(DEA), and all other drug enforcement agencies worldwide, classify
methylphenidate (the generic name for Ritalin) and amphetamine
(Dexedrine and Adderall) in the same Schedule II category as
methamphetamine, cocaine, and the most potent opiates and
barbiturates. Schedule II includes only those drugs with the very
highest potential for addiction and abuse.� Read �Why to Avoid
Dexedrine and Ritalin� at
<http://www.healthysource.com/dexedrine.html>
I�ve seen this article before. The website which you cite,
Healthysource.com, appears to be associated with the makers of Flavay
and Masquelier. These products are presented as an alternative to
Dexedrine. In fact, the article you cite, �Why to Avoid Dexedrine and
Ritalin�, ends with what amounts to an advertisement for Flavay.
Therefore I consider any information from this website to be
potentially biased. However, the reference section of this article
looks like it might contain some references to some useful studies and
reviews; I�ll have to look at it more closely to find out.
4)
Other long-term side effects noted are irregular heartbeat, heart
failure and lethal seizures, hostility, and paranoia. Read
�Prescription Drugs: Most Commonly Abused.� Metropolitan Drug
Commission at <http://www.metrodrug.org/prescription_drugs.html>
I found this statement on the web page you cite. There are no
references to studies or any indication whatsoever on the website as
to what the original source of this information is.
Also, the website is focused on preventing drug abuse. I don�t want
to suggest that there is anything wrong with preventing drug abuse,
but this focus gives the website an anti-drug bias, since it has a
goal of convincing people to avoid illegal drugs.
5)
A somewhat alarming article on the effects of Amphetamines, which
includes Dexedrine, mentions these long-term side effects:
Long term effects: Malnutrition, fatigue, sleeplessness, Severe
anxiety, tension, high blood pressure, Lowered resistance to disease,
Long term users may also exhibit bizarre or violent behavior,
Amphetamine Psychosis may develop in long term heavy users. This
condition is similar to paranoid schizophrenia and includes symptoms
such as hallucinations, paranoid delusions and compulsive behavior. It
usually disappears when the user stops taking the drug.
Read �Amphetamines and Methamphetamines� at
<http://www.woinfluence.yk.net/drugs/amphetamine.html>
Once again, there is no indication as to what studies produced this
information.
Also, this (again) is a drug abuse prevention website. The article
you mention above goes on to warn that �there is no control over the
purity or quality of street drugs,� and warns about �Contracting HIV,
AIDS or other diseases through unclean and shared needles.� So its
not clear to me that this information is intended to apply to
prescription drugs taken as prescribed.
6)
Contrary to the above articles is a reference by William Coleman MD
and Henry Shapiro MD. Again, the article refers to childhood use of
stimulant medications including Dexadrine. As quoted from the article:
�There are no dangerous, irreversible long-term side effects when the
medication is appropriately prescribed�..� �Stimulant medications do
not cause addiction or lead to drug or alcohol abuse.�
Read �Stimulant Medication Fact Sheet� at
<http://www.dbpeds.org/pdf/stimfact.pdf>
Again, the article does not say on what research these opinions are
based. This is the kind of thing that led me to say in my original
question: �I'm not particularly interested in opinions and anecdotes
-- the ones I've come across seem to contradict one another.�
7)
As another article mentions, �The people who need actual
prescriptions for amphetamines (which includes Dexedrine) rarely
develop addictions because their brains start out with a lack of the
natural �speedy� chemicals. Read �Don�t Stay in the Dark, Get in the
Know.� at <http://www.syndistar.com/pdf/amphetamine.pdf>
This is a pamphlet for use in school drug-prevention programs, and it
contains no references to sources.
8)
Though not specifically listed under long-term side effects, I would
feel irresponsible if I did not include this list of adverse reactions
for your consideration along with potential long-term effects:
ADVERSE REACTIONS
Cardiovascular: Palpitations, tachycardia, elevation of blood
pressure.
Central Nervous System: Psychotic episodes at recommended doses
(rare), overstimulation, restlessness, dizziness, insomnia, euphoria,
dyskinesia, dysphoria, tremor, headache, exacerbation of motor and
phonic tics and Tourette's syndrome.
Gastrointestinal: Dryness of the mouth, unpleasant taste, diarrhea,
constipation, other gastrointestinal disturbances. Anorexia or weight
loss may occur as undesirable effects when amphetamines are used for
other than the anorectic effect.
Allergic: Urticaria.
Endocrine: Impotence, changes in libido.(**This may be a concern for
you in the long run!)
DRUG ABUSE AND DEPENDENCE
Dextroamphetamine sulfate (DEXEDRINE) is a Schedule II controlled
substance.
Amphetamines have been extensively abused. Tolerance, extreme
psychological dependence, and severe social disability have occurred."
Read �Dexedrine..Excerpt from the Physician�s Desk Reference� at
<http://members.fortunecity.com/siriusw/dexedrine.htm>
As you note, this is not the long-term information I was looking for,
but thanks anyway. This is basically the same information that
pharmacies give me whenever I get a prescription filled, and the
website you sited has the same information as 2) above.
Interestingly, this article ends with a link to Healthlx.com, which
turns out to be another advertising site for Flavay and Masquelier.
9)
No significant lasting improvement in behaviour has been shown to
result from the use of Dexedrine.
�Short-term learning benefits have been achieved with these
medications, but no lasting improvement has been shown. Stimulant
drugs were found to have a short-term effectiveness of 60 to 80
percent in reducing the hyperactivity, distractibility, and
impulsiveness of school-age children. Similar rates of success have
been found in adults with ADD. Read �Why to Avoid Dexedrine and
Ritalin� at <http://www.healthysource.com/dexedrine.html>
Again, Healthysource.com appears to be an advertising site for Flavay
and Masquelier, products that compete with Dexedrine. See my comment
for 3) above. I will, however, check out the references this article
cites (references 22, 25, and 26).
10)
Although the following excerpt is a reference to children, I believe
it is worth noting as an answer to your question: "Until recently, the
most important question concerning Ritalin or Amphetamine
administration has not been asked. Do these drugs make a difference in
the long-term outcome of the minimal brain dysfunction? A
comprehensive examination of this subject carried out at the Montreal
Children's Hospital discovered a startling fact. At the end of five
years, hyper kinetic children who received drugs (either Ritalin or
Chlorpromazine) did not differ significantly from children who had not
received. Although it appeared that hyperactive kids treated with
Ritalin were initially more manageable, the degree of improvement and
emotional adjustment was essentially identical at the end of five
years to that seen in a group of kids who had received no medication
at all. Read �Adderall� at <http://pychealth.com/adderall.html>
This is much closer to what I�m looking for. Even though the Montreal
study is about Ritalin, not Dexedrine, this study might be helpful to
look at. However, the article on the website does not cite this study
directly; it cites a book called �The People�s Pharmacy�. If I can
find this book in the library or a bookstore it might lead to a
reference to the study. That�s what I�m looking for, references to
studies.
Interestingly enough, this website, pychealth.com, appears to be yet
another site associated with Flavay and Masquelier. So I�ll remain
skeptical until I find the actual study.
11)
Tolerance develops with regular use of a drug. As a person develops
tolerance to a drug, they need to take more and more of the drug to
get the same effects they once got from smaller amounts. Users develop
tolerance to amphetamines fairly quickly, even with taking only low
doses of the drug. Read �Amphetamines and Methamphetamines� at
<http://www.woinfluence.yk.net/drugs/amphetamine.html>
See my comment about 5) above.
12)
In terms of whether the effectiveness of stimulant drugs like
Dexedrine increase or decrease over time, it may be of interest to
read the following excerpt which highlights the fact that the drugs
may have no real lasting benefits. (again, this refers primarily to
children, but should be of interest to adults using the medicine for
ADD as well)
�Short-term learning benefits have been achieved with these
medications, but no lasting improvement has been shown. Stimulant
drugs were found to have a short-term effectiveness of 60 to 80
percent in reducing the hyperactivity, distractibility, and
impulsiveness of school-age children. Similar rates of success have
been found in adults with ADD.
A compilation of all the review studies published over the last
twenty years on the effects of stimulant medication for ADD/ADHD
showed that the medications only temporarily managed the symptoms of
overactivity, inattention and impulsivity, as well as increased
compliance, effort, and academic productivity, decreased aggression
and negative behaviors.
Published research has found the long-term value of Ritalin
disappointing. Studies beginning in the 1960s showed that children who
took stimulants for hyperactivity (the name for ADD at the time) over
several years did just as poorly in later life as the group of
hyperactive children who took no medication. Compared to children
without hyperactivity, both groups were less likely to have finished
high school or to be employed, and more likely to have had trouble
with the law or to have drug or alcohol problems. A large percentage
of the hyperactive group, medicated or not, did relatively well, but
overall those in this category wound up struggling much more
frequently than their normal peers.�
Read �Ritalin, Side Effects and Warnings� at
<http://pychealth.com/ritalin.html>
See my comment for 9) above. This is a variation of the same article,
and cites the same references.
13)
For what it�s worth, if you are interested in reading about a
natural alternative to Dexedrine that keeps popping up in my search,
you might go to the Health-n-Nutrition Website and read about a
product called Masquelier's OPCs. I am not advocating it as I know
nothing about it! The website is at
<http://health-n-nutrition.com/add>
Wow, yet another Flavay/Masquelier website. I believe you when you
say that you�re not advocating this product, but I�m surprised that
you didn�t realize that much of the information you�ve presented in
your answer came from websites that appear to be advertising sites for
this product!
I also know nothing about Masquelier�s OPCs or Flavay. But I do know
that information presented by a company, about a product they see as a
competitor, should be taken with a grain of salt.
14)
Additional Reading
�Prescription Drugs: Abuse and Addiction.� National Institute on
Drug Abuse.(2/21/2002) at
http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Prescription/prescription8.html
�Adults with ADD,� by Betsy Van Dorn. familyeducation.com at
<http://www.familyeducation.com/article/0,1120,5-251,00.html>
�The Role of Medication in Attention Deficit Disorder,� by Dr. John
D. Murray. Add Toronto (4/2 2002) at
<http://www.add-toronto.org/art_medication.html>
There are no studies cited in any of these articles.
Conclusion
The bottom line is that I will look at the following references that
are cited by the article �Why to Avoid Dexedrine and Ritalin�. But
frankly only one of them (27) looks promising. And I already had �Why
to Avoid Dexedrine and Ritalin� before I asked my question. Although
I appreciate your effort, your answer has not helped me. |
mjd-ga
rated this answer:
Hi,
Thanks for your time and effort. However, your response is not useful
to me, because I am looking for studies. The information you have
provided in your answer generally consists of statements without
references to supporting studies. I am looking for references to
medical journal articles.
I looked at your answer carefully to find any information that would
be useful to me. Here is my analysis, if you're interested:
1.) As a preface you present some general information about ADD, and
you reference
<http://www.etenet.com/Apps/Library/Corporate.asp?ID=23>
I didnt ask for this information, but thanks anyway.
2)
The habit-forming potential is high. Psychological and physical
dependence is possible. Addiction is rare in children but a problem
with adults. Refer to <http://www.psyweb.com/Drughtm/dexed.html>.
Also,
please note the rare (though not necessarily long-term) side effects
of taking Dexadrine.
This is basically the same information that pharmacies give me
whenever I get a prescription filled. Not what I asked for, but
thanks.
3).
It is important to note that the Drug Enforcement Administration
(DEA), and all other drug enforcement agencies worldwide, classify
methylphenidate (the generic name for Ritalin) and amphetamine
(Dexedrine and Adderall) in the same Schedule II category as
methamphetamine, cocaine, and the most potent opiates and
barbiturates. Schedule II includes only those drugs with the very
highest potential for addiction and abuse. Read Why to Avoid
Dexedrine and Ritalin at
<http://www.healthysource.com/dexedrine.html>
Ive seen this article before. The website which you cite,
Healthysource.com, appears to be associated with the makers of Flavay
and Masquelier. These products are presented as an alternative to
Dexedrine. In fact, the article you cite, Why to Avoid Dexedrine and
Ritalin, ends with what amounts to an advertisement for Flavay.
Therefore I consider any information from this website to be
potentially biased. However, the reference section of this article
looks like it might contain some references to some useful studies and
reviews; Ill have to look at it more closely to find out.
4)
Other long-term side effects noted are irregular heartbeat, heart
failure and lethal seizures, hostility, and paranoia. Read
Prescription Drugs: Most Commonly Abused. Metropolitan Drug
Commission at <http://www.metrodrug.org/prescription_drugs.html>
I found this statement on the web page you cite. There are no
references to studies or any indication whatsoever on the website as
to what the original source of this information is.
Also, the website is focused on preventing drug abuse. I dont want
to suggest that there is anything wrong with preventing drug abuse,
but this focus gives the website an anti-drug bias, since it has a
goal of convincing people to avoid illegal drugs.
5)
A somewhat alarming article on the effects of Amphetamines, which
includes Dexedrine, mentions these long-term side effects:
Long term effects: Malnutrition, fatigue, sleeplessness, Severe
anxiety, tension, high blood pressure, Lowered resistance to disease,
Long term users may also exhibit bizarre or violent behavior,
Amphetamine Psychosis may develop in long term heavy users. This
condition is similar to paranoid schizophrenia and includes symptoms
such as hallucinations, paranoid delusions and compulsive behavior. It
usually disappears when the user stops taking the drug.
Read Amphetamines and Methamphetamines at
<http://www.woinfluence.yk.net/drugs/amphetamine.html>
Once again, there is no indication as to what studies produced this
information.
Also, this (again) is a drug abuse prevention website. The article
you mention above goes on to warn that there is no control over the
purity or quality of street drugs, and warns about Contracting HIV,
AIDS or other diseases through unclean and shared needles. So its
not clear to me that this information is intended to apply to
prescription drugs taken as prescribed.
6)
Contrary to the above articles is a reference by William Coleman MD
and Henry Shapiro MD. Again, the article refers to childhood use of
stimulant medications including Dexadrine. As quoted from the article:
There are no dangerous, irreversible long-term side effects when the
medication is appropriately prescribed
.. Stimulant medications do
not cause addiction or lead to drug or alcohol abuse.
Read Stimulant Medication Fact Sheet at
<http://www.dbpeds.org/pdf/stimfact.pdf>
Again, the article does not say on what research these opinions are
based. This is the kind of thing that led me to say in my original
question: I'm not particularly interested in opinions and anecdotes
-- the ones I've come across seem to contradict one another.
7)
As another article mentions, The people who need actual
prescriptions for amphetamines (which includes Dexedrine) rarely
develop addictions because their brains start out with a lack of the
natural speedy chemicals. Read Dont Stay in the Dark, Get in the
Know. at <http://www.syndistar.com/pdf/amphetamine.pdf>
This is a pamphlet for use in school drug-prevention programs, and it
contains no references to sources.
8)
Though not specifically listed under long-term side effects, I would
feel irresponsible if I did not include this list of adverse reactions
for your consideration along with potential long-term effects:
ADVERSE REACTIONS
Cardiovascular: Palpitations, tachycardia, elevation of blood
pressure.
Central Nervous System: Psychotic episodes at recommended doses
(rare), overstimulation, restlessness, dizziness, insomnia, euphoria,
dyskinesia, dysphoria, tremor, headache, exacerbation of motor and
phonic tics and Tourette's syndrome.
Gastrointestinal: Dryness of the mouth, unpleasant taste, diarrhea,
constipation, other gastrointestinal disturbances. Anorexia or weight
loss may occur as undesirable effects when amphetamines are used for
other than the anorectic effect.
Allergic: Urticaria.
Endocrine: Impotence, changes in libido.(**This may be a concern for
you in the long run!)
DRUG ABUSE AND DEPENDENCE
Dextroamphetamine sulfate (DEXEDRINE) is a Schedule II controlled
substance.
Amphetamines have been extensively abused. Tolerance, extreme
psychological dependence, and severe social disability have occurred."
Read Dexedrine..Excerpt from the Physicians Desk Reference at
<http://members.fortunecity.com/siriusw/dexedrine.htm>
As you note, this is not the long-term information I was looking for,
but thanks anyway. This is basically the same information that
pharmacies give me whenever I get a prescription filled, and the
website you sited has the same information as 2) above.
Interestingly, this article ends with a link to Healthlx.com, which
turns out to be another advertising site for Flavay and Masquelier.
9)
No significant lasting improvement in behaviour has been shown to
result from the use of Dexedrine.
Short-term learning benefits have been achieved with these
medications, but no lasting improvement has been shown. Stimulant
drugs were found to have a short-term effectiveness of 60 to 80
percent in reducing the hyperactivity, distractibility, and
impulsiveness of school-age children. Similar rates of success have
been found in adults with ADD. Read Why to Avoid Dexedrine and
Ritalin at <http://www.healthysource.com/dexedrine.html>
Again, Healthysource.com appears to be an advertising site for Flavay
and Masquelier, products that compete with Dexedrine. See my comment
for 3) above. I will, however, check out the references this article
cites (references 22, 25, and 26).
10)
Although the following excerpt is a reference to children, I believe
it is worth noting as an answer to your question: "Until recently, the
most important question concerning Ritalin or Amphetamine
administration has not been asked. Do these drugs make a difference in
the long-term outcome of the minimal brain dysfunction? A
comprehensive examination of this subject carried out at the Montreal
Children's Hospital discovered a startling fact. At the end of five
years, hyper kinetic children who received drugs (either Ritalin or
Chlorpromazine) did not differ significantly from children who had not
received. Although it appeared that hyperactive kids treated with
Ritalin were initially more manageable, the degree of improvement and
emotional adjustment was essentially identical at the end of five
years to that seen in a group of kids who had received no medication
at all. Read Adderall at <http://pychealth.com/adderall.html>
This is much closer to what Im looking for. Even though the Montreal
study is about Ritalin, not Dexedrine, this study might be helpful to
look at. However, the article on the website does not cite this study
directly; it cites a book called The Peoples Pharmacy. If I can
find this book in the library or a bookstore it might lead to a
reference to the study. Thats what Im looking for, references to
studies.
Interestingly enough, this website, pychealth.com, appears to be yet
another site associated with Flavay and Masquelier. So Ill remain
skeptical until I find the actual study.
11)
Tolerance develops with regular use of a drug. As a person develops
tolerance to a drug, they need to take more and more of the drug to
get the same effects they once got from smaller amounts. Users develop
tolerance to amphetamines fairly quickly, even with taking only low
doses of the drug. Read Amphetamines and Methamphetamines at
<http://www.woinfluence.yk.net/drugs/amphetamine.html>
See my comment about 5) above.
12)
In terms of whether the effectiveness of stimulant drugs like
Dexedrine increase or decrease over time, it may be of interest to
read the following excerpt which highlights the fact that the drugs
may have no real lasting benefits. (again, this refers primarily to
children, but should be of interest to adults using the medicine for
ADD as well)
Short-term learning benefits have been achieved with these
medications, but no lasting improvement has been shown. Stimulant
drugs were found to have a short-term effectiveness of 60 to 80
percent in reducing the hyperactivity, distractibility, and
impulsiveness of school-age children. Similar rates of success have
been found in adults with ADD.
A compilation of all the review studies published over the last
twenty years on the effects of stimulant medication for ADD/ADHD
showed that the medications only temporarily managed the symptoms of
overactivity, inattention and impulsivity, as well as increased
compliance, effort, and academic productivity, decreased aggression
and negative behaviors.
Published research has found the long-term value of Ritalin
disappointing. Studies beginning in the 1960s showed that children who
took stimulants for hyperactivity (the name for ADD at the time) over
several years did just as poorly in later life as the group of
hyperactive children who took no medication. Compared to children
without hyperactivity, both groups were less likely to have finished
high school or to be employed, and more likely to have had trouble
with the law or to have drug or alcohol problems. A large percentage
of the hyperactive group, medicated or not, did relatively well, but
overall those in this category wound up struggling much more
frequently than their normal peers.
Read Ritalin, Side Effects and Warnings at
<http://pychealth.com/ritalin.html>
See my comment for 9) above. This is a variation of the same article,
and cites the same references.
13)
For what its worth, if you are interested in reading about a
natural alternative to Dexedrine that keeps popping up in my search,
you might go to the Health-n-Nutrition Website and read about a
product called Masquelier's OPCs. I am not advocating it as I know
nothing about it! The website is at
<http://health-n-nutrition.com/add>
Wow, yet another Flavay/Masquelier website. I believe you when you
say that youre not advocating this product, but Im surprised that
you didnt realize that much of the information youve presented in
your answer came from websites that appear to be advertising sites for
this product!
I also know nothing about Masqueliers OPCs or Flavay. But I do know
that information presented by a company, about a product they see as a
competitor, should be taken with a grain of salt.
14)
Additional Reading
Prescription Drugs: Abuse and Addiction. National Institute on
Drug Abuse.(2/21/2002) at
http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Prescription/prescription8.html
Adults with ADD, by Betsy Van Dorn. familyeducation.com at
<http://www.familyeducation.com/article/0,1120,5-251,00.html>
The Role of Medication in Attention Deficit Disorder, by Dr. John
D. Murray. Add Toronto (4/2 2002) at
<http://www.add-toronto.org/art_medication.html>
There are no studies cited in any of these articles.
Conclusion
The bottom line is that I will look at a few of the references that
are cited by the article Why to Avoid Dexedrine and Ritalin. But
frankly only one of them (27) looks promising. And I already had Why
to Avoid Dexedrine and Ritalin before I asked my question. Although
I appreciate your effort, your answer has not helped me. |