around 1960 3 men in a 23ft power boat crosed the Atlantic form
Portchel, or the Azores, with a small tanker ship that went along with
them for refulling and repairs. i saw it on tv around 1990 but dont
rember the chanel or the shows name. it was a 23ft cabin boat with
two 50ph outboard motors. the boat had to be takin abord the tanker
one time cuz of eng truble. i think it made it to New York. it was
on tv and it was a documentry and was real interesting. this was a
power boat, not a sale boat. thats what make it real interesting.
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Request for Question Clarification by
silviares-ga
on
13 Jul 2006 22:07 PDT
Hello leakinleana2-ga,
it would help if you could give more details about the documentary.
Do you remember on which TV station it was broadcasted ?
Was it in the US or somewhere else ?
Was the documentary in english ?
What was the nationality of the 3 men ?
Any detail would be helpful
silviares
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Clarification of Question by
leakinleana2-ga
on
16 Jul 2006 17:02 PDT
i dont know the tv station. if i have the right person i will go on
with the clarification if it will help. and if im doing it right.
thanks charlie
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Clarification of Question by
leakinleana2-ga
on
16 Jul 2006 17:03 PDT
sorry but i have a lot of info but dont know if im doing it right. do
i put the clarification here? in this box? thanks charlie
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Clarification of Question by
leakinleana2-ga
on
16 Jul 2006 17:15 PDT
ok here it is. it was in english. it was 3 portagez young men
(sorry for the speeling) in a 23ft fiberglass cabin boat, probly a
"wizerd" or some other brand, but it had 2 50hp johnson out board
motors. the last year johnson made a 50hp, V4 eng was in 1958 so the
trip must have been around 1950 or so. it was a trip from the Azorzes
or Porchiel to New York. A small tanker ship went along for repairs
and refulling. it had to be brought up on the tanker for repairs once
during the trip. the 2 engs were white, and Johnson only make that
eng from 1956 to 1958. it was a small cabin boat and 23ft long. i
saw the program around 1990 but dident take any info about the station
or chanle. it did happen and it was a great show. for a 23ft cabin
boat to cross the Atlantic back in the 50s with 2 50hp motors and,
well it was a great show. ill bet someone has a copy of that show
and to me it is well worth $100 bucks. i have a 23ft cabin boat and
it was great seeing somthing like this. i dont think it made
history, but well worth seeing again. it was 3 young men in a 23ft
cabin boat with 2 50hp Johnson outboard motors going from the azors or
potchegel aroung 1959 or so. maby i will go higher on the money if
some one could find a copy of the show. maby "Johnson" motors would
have something on it cuz it was there engs that they used and they did
take some good shots of the motors. just a thought.
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Request for Question Clarification by
silviares-ga
on
17 Jul 2006 15:55 PDT
Thank you leakinleana2-ga for all the extra details, I will look into it
silviares
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Clarification of Question by
leakinleana2-ga
on
17 Jul 2006 16:05 PDT
THANKS! SORRY FOR ALL THE MISSPELLED WORDS, BUT I REALY WOULD LIKE
TO HAVE A COPY IF IT EGG-ZISTES. CHARLIE
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Clarification of Question by
leakinleana2-ga
on
17 Jul 2006 16:09 PDT
THIS PROGRAM WAS ON TV. REALY!
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Clarification of Question by
leakinleana2-ga
on
17 Jul 2006 16:14 PDT
LAST THING, I PROMIS! IT WAS A 23FT POWER BOAT WITH 3 MEN ABORD AND
NOT A SALE BOAT. SMALL CABIN. FIBERGLASS, AND 2 50HP JOHNSON
OUTBOARDS FOR POWER. IF ANY OF THISE ARE MISSING IT AINT THE BOAT.
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Request for Question Clarification by
silviares-ga
on
25 Jul 2006 14:12 PDT
Hello leakinleana2-ga
I am still searching but here is what I got today from one of the
experts that are helping me in the search
"We have talked with jetsmarivent who have employees from OMC days,
one of whom has an OMC history but it doesnt contain any information
that might match.
Johnson has gone through a few evolutions since the 1950s but someone
must know something.
I wonder if the crossing was somewhat later.
GRP technology didnt really begin to get started for boats until the
1970s. It had been used by a few companies before then but usually
with very questionable results. Most boats fell into one of two
categories. Either GRP was used to get the weight down, in which case
the boat usually fell aprt pretty quickly, or the builder was cautious
and the resulting vessel was exceptionally heavy. If it was really a
GRP vessel in the 1950s, it would almost certainly have been home
built or by a small company that was pioneering and probably ceased
trading quickly.
It started to become a more popular material during the late 1960s but
build quality was very variable and any two boats made in the same
moulds varied by considerable amounts in weight.
It was not until Colin Chapman got bored with building sports and race
cars and turned to boat building that things changed. Chapman was a
pioneer of GRP for cars and aircraft. When he bought Moonraker and JCL
Marine in the 1970s he began to use techniques from cars and planes
and also began to develop new techniques for boat building that then
traveled back to cars and aviation. He introduced quality control that
meant a 40 ft boat had to be plus of minus 10kg of the target weight
which was unheard of accuracy in manufacture. All the big-name motor
yacht companies today use technology and design rules pioneered in the
1970s by Chapman.
The other odd thing about the information you are researching is the
boat size and engines. A 25 ft cabin cruiser built between 1950 and
1970 would have almost certainly have been designed as a trailer
sailer, really a day boat but usually with 4 nominal berths. It would
also have mounted only a single engine which could have been 50hp but
was more likely 20-25hp. Mounting 2 x 50 hp petrol outboards would
have added a great deal of weight just for the engines, but the fuel
consumption would have been a major problem"
leakinleana2-ga if this broght to your mind more details please let me know
silviares
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Request for Question Clarification by
pinkfreud-ga
on
25 Jul 2006 14:20 PDT
Leakinleana2,
You may want to cancel this earlier version of your question, since
you have recently reposted the question here:
http://www.answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=748882
It is usually best to post just one version of question and stick with
it until it is answered or reaches its expiration date, making
clarifications and changes if you so desire. Reposting over and over
can cause confusion.
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Clarification of Question by
leakinleana2-ga
on
25 Jul 2006 19:05 PDT
i owned a 1956 "bellboy", 19ft cabin boat, fibergalss. i owned a 21ft
"Dorsett" cabin boat, frberglass, and that one had an 8ft beam. the
late 50 werent to deep v but they were bilt pretty good. the cabin
boat they were using was a late 50s or real early 60s cuz of the cabin
stile. low cabin. they only had a v birth. the boat was 8ft wide,
pleanty of room for 2 50s. they bilt them with wide transoms cuz to
get any real power u had to use 2 eng. the eng were 1956 to 1959
modles, but the trip could have been taken in the mid 60s. i just
thought a trip like that they would use pretty new eng. it must have
cost a lot cuz they had a tanker go along with it. 3 young men in a
23ft fibergalss boat with 2 50s on it. i can see the eng to this
day. the show realy impressed me. i have a 25ft, 1973 Starcraft
1971. i grew up with boats and moters. i owned 3 dorsetts, 2
bellboys, 3 glaspars, 4 starcraft, on and on. im 67 years old. i
cant count how meny boats i repaired or converted to outboards. i
hate to see u guys go thrue all this and not find a copy of the show.
maby its best to call it off. but if u want to press on, that would
be great with me. THANKS!
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Clarification of Question by
leakinleana2-ga
on
25 Jul 2006 19:10 PDT
i have a web sete that has the boat like the one i saw on tv. but i
dont think i can put in on this site, ill try. if u can go there u
will see the kind of boat it was and the boats that were bilt in the
50. if this dident work u can send me your email address and i can
send to you. crsandelin@yahoo.com
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fiberglassics.com/fgnw/memberboats/012.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fiberglassics.com/fgnw/gallery.asp&h=480&w=640&sz=124&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=yjSdFv2drQMEvM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDorsett%2B21%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
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Request for Question Clarification by
czh-ga
on
25 Jul 2006 20:34 PDT
Hello leakinleana2-ga,
Please see my clarification request on your other question. I have
found some information that confirms the story. I suggest that you
close/cancel this question and respond to my clarification on the
other one. Thanks.
~ czh ~
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=748882#a
http://answers.google.com/answers/faq.html
http://answers.google.com/answers/faq.html#cancel
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Request for Question Clarification by
silviares-ga
on
25 Jul 2006 22:47 PDT
Hi again leakinleana2-ga
is it possible that the three men were Danish and not Portuguese?
Because if that is possible I believe I have found the producer of the footage.
The description of the footage is something like
Year 1958, black and white, 1 hour and 20 minutes
New York. Record, small motorboat crossed the Atlantic Ocean from
Copenhagen to New York in 11 days. Arrived in port of New York.
Close-up boat Coronet Explorer . Close-up engines. Close-up sailors,
crew who managed to cross.
I have already contacted the owner of the footage to obtain details on
how to get a copy.
Please confirm that this could be it, I have other details on the
story that match your description except that the men were Danish and
not Portuguese
silviares
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Request for Question Clarification by
silviares-ga
on
26 Jul 2006 10:19 PDT
Hello again leakinleana2-ga
did the boat look like this
http://freespace.virgin.net/simon.sherlock/images/22Explorer1.jpg?
From the information I have found looks like the boath was a Coronet Explorer.
Here what I have found, this description matches many of the details you remember
"To convince customers that fiberglass was a solid material, Botved
came up with the idea, to cross the atlantic in one of his boats. A 22
foot explorer was chosen for the trip. It was mounted with twin
Johnson 50hp engines, which enabled the boat a top speed of 26 knots.
Along on the ride was Jim Wynne, an experienced raceboat driver.
The trip was made possible, as they sailed along with a merchant ship
the whole way. The merchant ship carryed all the fuel for the trip,
and served as a safe haven in case of to rough weather.
The trip was experiencing rough weather almost all the way with swells
reaching hights of up to 30 feet, in the storms the coronet was lifted
abord the merchant ship, and the lowerd into the ocean when weather
allowed it.
It took in all 11 days to complete the 3600 nautical mile journey, and
even thoug many people would not reconize the journey, it was used as
a theme in Coronets marketing strategy for many years to come."
Is this it ?
silviares
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Clarification of Question by
leakinleana2-ga
on
26 Jul 2006 12:24 PDT
NO! but i could be maskin. that boat looks like a "ownas" factery
bilt wood boat. im not saying it aint it. is a copy of that show
avable? about how long is the show, if you know. i rember the engs
being white, whitch was Johnson collors back then. they were "cow
head" whitch some called them cuz they were v4s and looked like a cow
head. if you can get me or show me ware i can get a copy, u won! i
would like the see this show to. but the boat in the one i saw was
like the ones in this web site.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fiberglassics.com/fgnw/memberboats/012.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fiberglassics.com/fgnw/gallery.asp&h=480&w=640&sz=124&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=yjSdFv2drQMEvM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDorsett%2B21%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
the bellboy or the scaget. 23ft cabin boat.
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Request for Question Clarification by
silviares-ga
on
26 Jul 2006 12:30 PDT
Hello
The show is 1 hour ant 20 minutes and it is black and white.
Does this description match what you remember
"To convince customers that fiberglass was a solid material, Botved
came up with the idea, to cross the atlantic in one of his boats. A 22
foot explorer was chosen for the trip. It was mounted with twin
Johnson 50hp engines, which enabled the boat a top speed of 26 knots.
Along on the ride was Jim Wynne, an experienced raceboat driver.
The trip was made possible, as they sailed along with a merchant ship
the whole way. The merchant ship carryed all the fuel for the trip,
and served as a safe haven in case of to rough weather.
The trip was experiencing rough weather almost all the way with swells
reaching hights of up to 30 feet, in the storms the coronet was lifted
abord the merchant ship, and the lowerd into the ocean when weather
allowed it.
It took in all 11 days to complete the 3600 nautical mile journey, and
even thoug many people would not reconize the journey, it was used as
a theme in Coronets marketing strategy for many years to come."
Please take a look at tha coronet site and see if you can recognize the boat.
http://freespace.virgin.net/simon.sherlock/range.htm
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Request for Question Clarification by
czh-ga
on
26 Jul 2006 12:59 PDT
Hello leakinleana2-ga,
It looks like silviares-ga has found the same information I located
regarding the transatlantic crossing that's the subject of the film
you're looking for as I indicated in my clarifications on your other
question. In addition, he also seems to have found the film. Bravo!!!
I'm eager to see his answer.
All the best.
~ czh ~
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Clarification of Question by
leakinleana2-ga
on
26 Jul 2006 14:30 PDT
IM NOT SURE IF IT IS THE PROGRAM BUT IT IS WORTH THE MONEY TO ME IF IT
IS OR NOT. HOW CAN I GET A COPY OF THE PROGRAM AND HOW DO I GET THE
MONEY TO YOU? IM NEW AT THIS. MABY IT IS THE SHOW. I GOT IN ON THE
MEDEL OF THE SHOW SO I DONT KNOW THE LENGTH OF IT. BUT I WOULD LOVE
TO HAVE A COPY OF THE SHOW. CAN YOU HELP HOW TO GET IT AND HOW TO
PAY YOU?
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Request for Question Clarification by
silviares-ga
on
27 Jul 2006 10:34 PDT
Hi again leakinleana2-ga
I am going to give you an update on what is happening so that you can
decide what to do.
Through the web site www.film-images.com I could search several
databases of film footage and I found an entry with this description
Database LOBSTER FILMS
Cassette Number NI 62
Title 31-59
Year 1958
Colour B & W
Description 08 20 44 00 New York. Record, two small motorboats
crossed the Atlantic Ocean from Copenhagen to New York in 11 days.
Arrived in port of New York. Close-up boat Coronet Explorer . Close-up
engines. Close-up sailors, crew who managed to cross. Akron, Ohio. The
biggest dirigible balloon is thrown in the sky. Seen on the immense
balloon. Close-up details American Navy. Fly in the sky.
The first part of the description maches you request (except it says
two motorboats but one could have been the thanker) so I sent an email
to them to see how I could get a copy of the footage.
Here is the reply
Dear Silvia,
Please contact Lobster Films in France for this material. We only
licence their material in the UK.
Contact: Maria Chiba
E: mchiba@lobsterfilms.com
Good luck.
Tony
So now I have contacted Lobster Film as suggested and I am waiting for
a answer. You should be able to get a copy through Lobster Film. Once
I get the answer I can give you more details on how to get it. Where
are you located ?
As far as paying me once I post the answer here I will be
automatically payed by Google and your credit card will be charged, so
this is something you don't have to worry about :-). I will not be
posting the answer until we find a way to get you the show.
I hope to hear from them soon, but they are in France so I doubt it
will be before tomorrow
silviares
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Clarification of Question by
leakinleana2-ga
on
28 Jul 2006 06:40 PDT
THANKS! IM PRETTY SURE IT AINT THE SHOW, BUT U COULD BE RIGHT.
THERE WAS NO FAN AFRE WHIN THEY PULLED IN TO NY, BUT I COULD BE WRONG
THERE. IF THERE WERE MOTOR BOATS THEH WOULD HAVE A SHIP GO WITH THEM
FOR HELP. THIS COULD BE IT. I WOULD LIKE A COPY AND HOPE I CAN GET
ONE AND THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK. NO RUSH. TAKE CARE.
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Hello leakinleana2-ga
Here is the answer form Maria Chiba
"Dear Silvia
We can send you a VHS Tape, It's Universal News. It's not in colour
just in Black and White In which country are you ?
Regards
Maria "
I suggest that you take it from here, you should mail Maria Chiba
mchiba@lobsterfilms.com with your name and address and she will mail
you a copy of the VHS tape. You can mention my name so that she has a
context and, I also will email her that you will be contacting her. I
really hope this is the show ....
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Clarification of Answer by
silviares-ga
on
28 Jul 2006 09:45 PDT
leakinleana2-ga,
during my searches I have found that you can send a description of the
footage to research@historicfilms.com and see if they can get it. Just
in case this is not what you were looking for you can still try that.
silviares
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Request for Answer Clarification by
leakinleana2-ga
on
29 Aug 2006 12:15 PDT
dont know if im doing this the right way. i sent for the tape, it is
only 3 minits long, but the format for the tape here in the u.s. is
diferant than over there. had to send it back. i told them to just
drop it and sent some cash to help with there postage. to bad, maby
it was the right one. will never know i guss. but then maby i will
put the questoun back in again for kicks, who knows. "the shadow
knows", but he aint around anymore.
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Clarification of Answer by
silviares-ga
on
29 Aug 2006 15:07 PDT
Hello leakinleana2-ga
I am sorry to hear that, I will contact Maria Chiba and ask for
clarification because on the web site they sad that the tape was 1
hour and 20 minutes and I will ask her why they sent the wrong format.
I will let you know.
silviares
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Clarification of Answer by
silviares-ga
on
01 Sep 2006 12:07 PDT
Hello leakinleana2-ga
I have received no answer so far from Maria Chiba on why she sent the
wrong format. I feel like I let you down so please ask for a refund on
this answer since I was unable to get you what you were looking for.
Sorry again
silviares
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