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Science - materials
Category: Science > Chemistry Asked by: kylemac-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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31 May 2005 05:03 PDT
Expires: 30 Jun 2005 05:03 PDT Question ID: 527647 |
Is glass a liquid or solid? |
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Re: Science - materials
Answered By: websearcher-ga on 31 May 2005 05:16 PDT Rated: |
Hi kylemac: Despite what "urban legends" say, glass is most definitely a solid, not some sort of weird, supercooled liquid. In particular, glass is an amorphous solid: amorphous URL: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=amorphous Quote: "Lacking distinct crystalline structure" The following websites provide details. Glass: Liquid or Solid -- Science vs. an Urban Legend URL: http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C01/C01Links/www.ualberta.ca/~bderksen/florin.html Quote: "Glasses are amorphous solids. There is a fundamental structural divide between amorphous solids (including glasses) and crystalline solids. Structurally, glasses are similar to liquids, but that doesn't mean they are liquid. It is possible that the 'glass is a liquid' urban legend originated with a misreading of a German treatise on glass thermodynamics." Note: Read the section "What the Scientists Say." Search Strategy (on Google): * glass solid liquid I hope this helps. websearcher |
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Re: Science - materials
From: hedgie-ga on 06 Jun 2005 17:59 PDT |
This question is in physics FAQ and different people give different answers. Other views are described here: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=419211 In particular it says: Different disciplines define terms 'solid' and 'liquid' differently. Answer to question (is it a liquid?) depends on definition of liquid. However, proper discipline for this issue is a bit esoteric field of material science called Rheology (science of flow). http://dmoz.org/Science/Physics/Rheology/ According to this discipline classification 'amorhphous vs crystaline' differs from the classification by phase of the material (solid liguid gas): Crystals can be solid or liquid and so can be amorphous materials. All four combinations exist, but some are rare. Quantitatively - from point of view of material science: Crystalinity reffers to 'structure' (a microscopic property), defined by 'correlation length of order of arrangemenet of atoms' and measured e.g. by X-ray diffraction. Phases are classified by 'properties' by 'material functions' of viscosity and compressibility and measured in macroscopic experiments. In everyday life most liquids have structures with short correlation length, which leads to confusion of these two different properties. However, even in common language, most people would agree that 'molten glass' and 'liquid crystals' are both liquids and 'amorphous solids' are solids. At least I hope so. |
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Re: Science - materials
From: sciencewiz-ga on 12 Jul 2005 13:08 PDT |
glass is a solid. but what kind of solid. it is not crystalline but amorphous. to better explain this, both, ruby and glass are solids but ruby has has a crystalline lattice which has alumina molecules in it aligned lie in a particular fashion, called the unit cell, and that particular unit cell repeats itself throughout the 3D space. whereas glass does not have any such uniformity - SiO2 (silica)molecules in them lie in all possible directions and there is no repatability - because of which it is called "super cooled liquid". I think the term supercooled liquid is justified because glass that is solid now will be a liquid at say 2000 degrees C similar to any liquid that may be cooled to sub 0 degrees and may not have a crystal lattice. it is a super cooled liquid. where as ice is not supercooled liquid because they align themselves in an orderly fashion to form a regular 3D lattice. Hence ice is not supercooled liquid (though a solid) instead a crystalline substance. |
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Re: Science - materials
From: hedgie-ga on 13 Jul 2005 07:31 PDT |
There are two comments to this question From: hedgie-ga on 06 Jun 2005 17:59 PDT From: sciencewiz-ga on 12 Jul 2005 13:08 PDT 2nd comment by "science wiz" repeates lot of cliches which 1st comment attempted to show to be common errors. I will therefore summarise the 1st comment in more simple language: Solid vs liquid is a different classification then crystaline vs amorphous Everybody agrees that glass is amorphous. That has nothing to do with it being liquid or solid. There are different definition of 'solid' and so there is no absolute answer. Most 'scientific' definition is provided by Rheology (science of flow) . According to this definition Glass is a viscoelastic liquid PLASTICS (polymers) ARE CLASSIFIED as thermosets (viscoelastic solids) and thermoplasts (viscoelastic liquids). Examples are vulcanised and unvulcanised rubber -- both flow, but flow differently. First is solid, the second a liquid. You can learn more about the subtle difference in books on Rheology: http://www.ipolytech.com/UKrheology.htm Glass has very high viscosity E15 Pas and so, at normal temperature and reasonable time of observation its flow properties are not measurable. At increased temperature the glass flow can be measured and the difference between viscoelastic solids and liquids becomes apparent. The 'supercooled liquid' adjective is not applicable here. That term describes metastable pahse, as described here http://chemserv.bc.edu/Department/faculty/fourkas/Super.html I am aware that many people consider 'glass is a liquid' an urban legend http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C01/C01Links/www.ualberta.ca/~bderksen/florin.html neverthless, the arguments presented there do not address the scientific facts which I have presented here. If you do want to argue this point, kindly, at least, read the references I have listed in my first comment. Hedgie |
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