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Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: murunbuchstansinger-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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26 Feb 2006 17:02 PST
Expires: 28 Mar 2006 17:02 PST Question ID: 701289 |
I noted some time ago that Google are not recruiting new researchers. Are there enough Google researchers? Browsing the questions shows that many remain unanswered - even after a few days. Where would I discuss this concern with like minded people? |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 27 Mar 2006 18:21 PST |
Why many [questions] remain unanswered ? Insufficient number of researchers would be one reason, but there are other possible reasons. Let's summarise the comments, for benefit of those who are wondering about the this issue: pinkfreud-ga on 27 Feb 2006 10:59 PST said (correctly) Underpricing and unreasonable expectations are the main reason There are other reeasons: Some answers make assumptions about the world, which no researcher finds plausible. Example: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=711070 bowler-ga on 27 Feb 2006 18:40 PST said: I think it may be worthwhile for a researcher to provide in a comment the fact that they attempted an answer and were unsuccessful and possibly provide some guidence. Hedgie: Indeed. Some of those questions which remain unanswered, indeed are questions which were answered, and answer was rejected by an asker. It is now a custom (not universal as yet] to leave a comment as a guidance for other researchers. Example: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=440753 Sometimes such questions get answered by a different GAR, sometimes no GAR (researcher) will consider such a question a good risk (see below). From: thither-ga on 01 Mar 2006 21:52 PST poses some interesting questions/comments: " Google Answers must be very very insignificant to the overall Google revenue stream" That's true. Monetary stream is negligible; there may be other benefits; It shows what questions are not well answered by the SearchEngine. As search engines and skills of public will improve, the GA will change, but not disappear. Scientific journals are adding thousands of 'answers' to store of human knowledge every month, and there are no real signs that science i.e. becoming obsolete. From: mongolia-ga on 04 Mar 2006 16:57 PST re: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=429179 commented on by From: hedgie-ga on 04 Mar 2006 22:29 PST to the end of the comments gives another, often neglected reason. Since it may help customers, and potential customers, in formulation their questions, and researches to answer them, I want to expand it a bit: This applies mostly to technical questions, often posted in physics category It is important to respond to researchers RFCs (requests for clarification of a question) and to respond in a constructive manner - to (sort of) create a cooperative team, working on solving a problem: Example http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=429179 where I said: -------------------\ I see this is your first use of GA. I suggest you read a couple questions/answer cases to see how it works. Here are few of mine. Some questions can be answered directly e.g. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=430559 http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=427820 Some folks ask for what is not possible - and we need to know whether a 'negative answer' -i.e. reasons for it being impossible, is of interest http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=558992 Sometimes it is not clear what asker knows and wants http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=600240 Reread the comments and RFCs to your question. If you answer my questions, e.g. by saying 'I understand that subtractive mixing does not have a simple formula like additive mixing. You may neglect particle size effects and I will accept as an answer a simple approximation' then I will answer your question. -----------------------------------/ I like 'color' questions and often can provide answers, which are both 'appreciated by asker' and agree with 'color science' e.g. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=451450 http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=316218 .. In this case I actually did a fairly through search to verify that my understanding of this issue is correct. I even had some insights. But I got no feedback from the asker and the $100 question went unanswered. Some questions are clearly homework, or unethical http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=438213 http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=448109 Finally, some 'questions' are not questions, but alternative theories or gropes. These are OK, as long as asker really wants an honest opinion example http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=433561 However, some questions just look to 'fuzzy and wild' and it is not clear if asker want 'an answer' - critique or evaluation - or if s/he wants to argue. Attitude and 'civilized dialog' are important if you really want answer. example of question unlikely to get an answer. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=707868 For me, and it may be influenced by type of questions I tend to answer, attitude of the asker is very important. Sometimes example http://answers.google.com/answers/search?q=buffycat&qtype=all&btnG=Google+Search it looks like asker is promoting a theory, rather then asking a question. In cases where it is not clear, I do look at asker's history, and see what his/her reaction was to other answers in the past and what ratings were given to past answers. Where there is a real question, questions which can be answered, and answered for a reasonable reward, chances are very good that it will be answered, in my (possibly biased) opinion. |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: pafalafa-ga on 27 Feb 2006 06:56 PST |
It would seem that you can discuss it right here, in the comments section. However, I certainly don't equate the number of unanswered questions with a shortage of researchers. There are many reasons that a question (like this one) may go unanswered. In general, any well-focused, reasonably-priced question will get answered. Just my two cents... pafalafa-ga |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: politicalguru-ga on 27 Feb 2006 08:15 PST |
Like Pafalafa-ga, I wouldn't equate the number of unanswered questions with the number of Researchers. Unfortunately (and I think that it happens to many), more often than not I cannot find appropriate questions to answer. They are either underpriced for the amount of work they require; or that the question is unanswerable; or that it is already locked by another Researcher (perhpas, there are "too many" Researchers?). If you'd have a closer look at the unanswered question, you'd find that most of them are either $2-5 questions; or that they require market research of the type that usually costs thousands of dollars. |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: myoarin-ga on 27 Feb 2006 08:54 PST |
I would add that not just a few but many questions are answered in the comments, often by Researchers, often then with an undocumented answer that is wholy satisfactory - apparently, since the asker then closes the question. Some very interesting questions are unanswerable. And some, like this one, perhaps could be answered - as Pafalafa has already done: "right here", but the answer hardly counts as one and doesn't get posted as such. |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: videoga-ga on 27 Feb 2006 10:47 PST |
murunbuchstansinger-ga, We are in the same boat. This has been discussed in several questions before. See for example: Subject: I want to be a Answer Giver Question ID: 538730 Subject: Why Are So Many Questioners On Google Answers Such Utter Cheapskates? Question ID: 535653 Also of some background interest are: Subject: Researchers, Researchers, Where have all the Researchers gone? Question ID: 439765 (still ongoing) Subject: Over 1,000 Comments, please! Question ID: 161982 Some GA Researchers (but not many - why so few?) have been interviewed and the results can be found at http://blog.outer-court.com/search.php?q=Google+Answers+Researcher+Interview I think the basic fact is that the top GA Researchers are plentiful and brilliant enough to show how amazing Google and the Internet are. This is the real purpose of the GA project, not to answer every question. Videoga PS Have you seen your own name discussed in Question 441669 ?! |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 27 Feb 2006 10:59 PST |
If there were an insufficient number of GA Researchers, that would imply that GARs like me, who labor full-time here trying to earn a living, should be able to fill our days with work. Instead, most of my day is spent fishing, not catching. If I see an answerable question at a fair price, I'll give it a try. But I am not going to invest hours of work on a $2 question, only to see my overall rating go down because I didn't do enough. Underpricing and unreasonable expectations are the main reasons for unanswered questions. Adding more Researchers won't fix those problems. Adding more Researchers will just make things more difficult for me, and for the other Researchers who have no income other than GA. |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: canadianhelper-ga on 27 Feb 2006 12:32 PST |
Then there are the 'commentors' like me who have made close to 300 comments with the majority of them being 'answers' to the smaller questions that I feel the researchers are never going to answer for the price...ahh...it is bliss to answer for free and wait for GR to hire again! |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: murunbuchstansinger-ga on 27 Feb 2006 12:33 PST |
In reply to: Videoga-GA - that surely constitutes an answer and an excellent one at that! In reply to: comments from others - thanks for your comments! From Video-GA's answer it would appear that there are 500 researchers worldwide. There are, however, an awful lot of unanswered questions and this must surely be eroding the usefulness of Google Answers, leading to lack of confidence that questions will be answered and therefore depressing prices further? |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: murunbuchstansinger-ga on 27 Feb 2006 12:36 PST |
PS - another thank you to Videoga, the sites linked in that answer about "my name" brought back some excellent memories! |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: bowler-ga on 27 Feb 2006 18:40 PST |
I can't help but add my two cents. As has been discussed before on this site there are many researchers who have not answered questions in quite some time although they are still technically "official researchers". I don't think the 500 number is all that important. As videoga has pointed out the number of active good researchers whatever that number may be is sufficient and probably was the goal of the project. Questions are not unanswered because of lack of researchers. The current researchers fight over the questions as it is and are dying to provide answers but often this just isn't possible because the question is unanswerable or is grossly underpriced. I have seen researchers work hours to provide an answer to a two dollar question (in which they receive only $1.50). I think it may be worthwhile for a researcher to provide in a comment the fact that they attempted an answer and were unsuccessful and possibly provide some guidence. This would cut down on the number of customers who feel they are being ignored. |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: murunbuchstansinger-ga on 28 Feb 2006 15:16 PST |
I am not a Google researcher and do not wish to be, but I have posted comments to quite a few questions. I am reluctant, however, to "answer" questions via the comments as I don't wish to take money away form the researchers. |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: terrymac-ga on 28 Feb 2006 20:45 PST |
If you research the history of sites like this you will learn that they have not been too successful. There are numerous reasons for that but the major one has been the low dollar value put by the questioners on their questions. I have had experience at several such sites and the only one that made a decent run at it was advice.com and then they bailed out too. I found that in my own field,copyright and the music industry, answering even some of the smaller valued questions sometimes led to more lucrative work. If advice.com had put the "experts" under contract, they would have made much more money. I generated almost $10,000 on one project alone as a result of answering a $50.00 question. So, it will be interesting to see where this one is heading. It may exist just to draw people for more ads or it may be a pre emptive strike at this market trying to keep the competition out or to see if they can make it work. To the researchers, don't quit your day jobs! My free advice to google; go big or go home! |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: thither-ga on 01 Mar 2006 21:52 PST |
Why is it, "A penny for your thoughts," but, "you have to put your two cents in?" Somebody's making a penny. - Steven Wright A couple of related thoughts. I'll let you be the judge of them... Isn't this a bit of a Catch-22 situation: "While you will not be compensated for providing comments, it is a good way to demonstrate your suitability to be a paid Researcher." Right. But if a lot of people are "answering" questions through comments, why would there be a need for more researchers? (I'd like you to prove your ability to build me a pool by building me a pool. Wow! That's a lovely pool. If I needed a pool I'd certainly hire you.) Now you might say that Google doesn't make any money on comments, that it would be preferable to have "commentors" be researchers. I would think that while it might be lucrative to be a researcher (it's my understanding that pinkfreud has recently closed on a 12,000 s.f. South Beach estate), Google Answers must be very very insignificant to the overall Google revenue stream. Anyway, how about this: Rather than continually growing in scope, Google Answers will one day be obsolete. In a minor sense, consider the number of repeat questions already - an answered question never needs to be answered again. In a major sense, isn't there the anticipation that future search engines will be so much more sophisticated/intuitive that human help will be rendered unnecessary? Have a good day. |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 01 Mar 2006 22:06 PST |
>> I would think that while it might be lucrative to be a >> researcher (it's my understanding that pinkfreud has >> recently closed on a 12,000 s.f. South Beach estate) I appreciate that you're joshing around, but others may not realize that your remark is a joke. In point of fact, I would be doing much better financially if I were in sufficiently good health to get a job flipping burgers, digging ditches, or changing bedlinens in motel rooms. |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: thither-ga on 02 Mar 2006 11:20 PST |
No offense intended pinkfreud. It was just a jape to illustrate that perhaps Google Answers isn't quite the money-making occupation some seem to think it is. I wish you all the best. |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: kbrowntx47-ga on 03 Mar 2006 21:58 PST |
We just discovered GA a few weeks ago, and are stunned at the low prices offered. My fist easy question, I offered $15, yet it was so easy that it was immediately answered by a commenter. Even so, I left it two more days before closing it just to see what I might get from a researcher. I encouraged one questioner (going stale) to quintuple his price, he did, and yes, he finally got an excellent answer to his serious business question. We think GA is great! I love scanning the questions for the really interesting ones. Look for 4-5 star answers, and questions with lots of comments. Fun! |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: mongolia-ga on 04 Mar 2006 16:57 PST |
I have receive some great answers from Google Answers. However I would love someone to answer my question no. 445451. Or tell me why the question is unanswerable!! Kind Regards Mongolia |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: hedgie-ga on 04 Mar 2006 22:29 PST |
This is a different, but related question RE: why some questions go unanswered? One assumption is that there is not enough researchers. But, as others pointed out, researchers spend lot of time searching for 'answerable questions'. I will illustrate on this comment, that 'answerable' means more then [price>$2] : From: mongolia-ga on 04 Mar 2006 16:57 PST love someone to answer my question no. 445451. Or tell me why the question is unanswerable!! In this case (I do not speak for others) this is why Mongolia: Each time researcher invests time into researching a question, organizing, spellchecking .. s/he takes a risk. One learns by experience. Recent experience I had is here: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=440753 This question expired today, unanswered, carrying a decent price tag. Why? I invested several hours, preparing an answer and in RFC dialog, and in the end I withdraw the answer. Sometimes asker asks for refund and I had few of those, but in most cases I do withdraw the answer when customer is unhappy and dificult to satisfy. I actually try quite hard to a) tell the truth and b) get 5 stars and c) to make some money in that order of importance. So, in your case, I think the question Subject: Views of Political Parties Asked By Mongolia is interesting and reasonably priced. By coincidence, I was recently trying to make sense of the EU parties and came across this page http://www.europarl.eu.int/groups/default_en.htm which provides a link between the 'groups' (which do publish planks) and national parties. I was tempted, to 'look into' your question. Then I noticed another recent discussion regarding the 'dark matter' in our universe. (I do not think there is any). I gained impression that you sometime use 'ad hominem' arguments. There are arguments on both sides - really. Issue of the 'dark matter' is open question. Based on that, I ruled that question 'on political parties' a bad risk. I hope that other researchers will have different perspective and your interesting question gets answered. Good luck. More researchers will increase such chances, but the other aspect, (that we need more good askers :-) should not be ignored. Hedgie |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: mongolia-ga on 05 Mar 2006 10:19 PST |
Hedgie Regarding my question 445451 , two researchers have given me some feedback and based on their Feedback I have somewhat altered the parameters of my question. So I am hoping that someone may answer my question With regards to your comment on Dark matter <<Then I noticed another recent discussion regarding the 'dark matter' in our universe. (I do not think there is any).>> You are perfectly entiteld to your opinion that there is no Dark Matter in our Universe. However everything I have read regarding Dark Matter would suggest the observation of Dark matter in our universe is now an established fact in the astronomical community (although there is currently no explanation as to what it is) I would suggest that given your views on this subject then you might not be the best person to answer questions on Dark Matter. Obviously any comments from people with Astronomy/Cosmology background would be more than welcome. Mongolia |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: hedgie-ga on 05 Mar 2006 20:42 PST |
Mongolia, Thanks for your response. This indeed is the crux of then matter: " However everything I have read regarding Dark Matter .." Have you read the article from Scientific American, which I have quoted as a part of my answer? Perhaps that is not a journal to be quoted, considering they publish reviews like that? |
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Re: Where would I discuss whether or not there are enough Google researchers?
From: myoarin-ga on 06 Mar 2006 04:05 PST |
To return to the original question: Perhaps it can be seen as compliment to the Researchers and G-A as facility that so many questions are posted - that askers feel or have heard that "anything" can be answered here. I wonder if Google could not improve the setup for posting questions to improve askers' understanding of the requirements for a good question. So many people omit telling where they are on questions where this must be asked for in the first comment or clarification, also other requiring shortcomings. A few more Researchers would be good, IMHO, but none of those who ask (which per se disqualifies them, since they didn't research the situation first. |
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