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Subject: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: probonopublico-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 29 Jul 2006 07:08 PDT
Expires: 28 Aug 2006 07:08 PDT
Question ID: 750627
I've done a G-Search and could only find 3 brief CIA-related entries
which tell me very little and may or may not be our man.

The man I'm interested in is Donald Beattie Calder who was 34 when he
married in London, England in Jan 1946. He could still be alive but I
doubt it.

His occupation was then given as Third Secretary American Diplomatic Service.

C'mon somebody show me how it's done!

Many thanks

Bryan

Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 29 Jul 2006 09:14 PDT
Well, somebody's been and had a peep.

I wonder who?

Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 29 Jul 2006 22:23 PDT
Thank you one and all for your Comments and the various less-than-amazing snippets.

With regard to the requests for further information ...

Don Calder's name jumped out at me from the MI5 Archives, not so much
for his work at the American Embassy in London but for something else.
I would have gladly shared this information with trustworthy people
(like Dave and 2CC) but experience has taught me that there are those
who peep at Questions even after they have been specifically requested
not so to do:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=744014 

So caution must prevail.

However, I am fully expecting soon to be invited to join the
Researchers' Forum where (I hope and trust) that I can be more
forthcoming:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=750200

Any news yet, Cyndy?

In the meantime, I am hoping that such trusty Info Warriors as
answerfinder-ga, tutuzdad-ga, pinkfreud-ga, keystroke-ga,
politicalguru-ga, palitoy-ga, cynthia-ga, boquinha-ga, livioflores-ga,
sublime1-ga, etc. will now rise to the challenge.

Bryan

Now Anxiously Waiting to be Amazed

Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 30 Jul 2006 03:56 PDT
Many thanks, Answerfinder ...

No, Mary née Albright was not his wife.

I will now take a look at the NY Times Archive and report back.

Bryan

Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 30 Jul 2006 04:03 PDT
Hi Again A/F

I've hit a problem trying to make a purchase on the NY Times site.

I'll try again later.

ATB

Bryan

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 30 Jul 2006 05:35 PDT
<<sigh>>


Donald Beattie Calder (middle name and all) is listed in the Biography
and Genealogy Master Index as having an entry in yet another index:

Biography Index. A cumulative index to biographical material in books
and magazines. Volume 2: August, 1949-August, 1952. New York: H.W.
Wilson Co., 1953.


The above cite will NOT provide a bio on Calder, as far as I know, but
will point to a source of where such a bio exists.

Who's up to it, I wonder...?

Source Citation: Biography and Genealogy Master Index

Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 30 Jul 2006 05:41 PDT
Hi Dave

Well done!

I'll now see if I can follow your lead.

Many thanks!

Bryan

Request for Question Clarification by cynthia-ga on 30 Jul 2006 13:38 PDT
I'd love to invite you Bryan, but I have to follow the rules, or risk
my coveted GAR status... they're closed to all except Researchers. 
Bummer, but true.

Clarification of Question by probonopublico-ga on 30 Jul 2006 23:59 PDT
Hi Cyndy

This is the second bit of bad news I've had this morning:

First, my beloved 19" Flat Panel Monitor stopped working and I am now
reduced to using a very old 14" Display that I can hardly see. Well, I
can see the Monitor because it's HUGE but I can hardly see the stuff
on screen that I want to see.

And, now, THIS!

I guess this is just one of those bad news days and that I'd better go back to bed.

Please don't worry about me!

All the Best

Bryan
Answer  
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
Answered By: pafalafa-ga on 31 Jul 2006 09:11 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Thanks, Bryan.

So happens, I recently posted an article to the a GAR-frequented blog,
the gist of which was that most of the world's information still sits
on library shelves, inaccessible to web surfers:


http://web-owls.com/2006/07/30/full-text-book-search-online-and-free/
Full-text book searches


Mr. Calder is a case in point.  Extensive electronic searching turned
up...well, you saw how much it turned up!

But an email Ms. Schoo, the librarian and civil servant par excellence
at the Department of State, led to a fax of The Donald's highly
abbreviated precis (abbreviated as in "v.c, sec. D5 Apr 9, 40") that,
with a bit of decoding, led to the timeline of his career at the State
Dept.

Like I said, wish there was more.  If you want to try a follow-up at
the library, Ms. Schoo is the Reference Librarian at: 
Library@state.gov

Best of luck,

paf

Clarification of Answer by pafalafa-ga on 31 Jul 2006 14:44 PDT
Thank you, sir.

One additional piece of info, that did, in fact turn up from online sources:

Donald B. Calder
born 7/24/1911

resided, in 1938, at 169 E 165 St in New York City (the address is not
that far from Columbia University).

On September 10, 1938 he returned to the US on the SS Laconia, which
had sailed from Dublin.


paf


P.S.  The link I gave earlier didn't quite work right...it should be:


http://web-owls.com/2006/07/30/full-text-book-search-online-and-free/
probonopublico-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $20.00
Brilliant, Dave, Many thanks!

And also many thanks to Ms. Schoo.

Finding her was also amazing.

All the Best

Bryan

Comments  
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: myoarin-ga on 29 Jul 2006 09:46 PDT
 
Hi Bryan,
It may be difficult to amazed you, and I certainly cannot.  I checked
the Social Security record of deceased persons and found no one born
in 1911 or 1912, two born in 1915.

Interesting that little book from the DDR by Madder from 1968.

Cheers, Myo
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: kemlo-ga on 29 Jul 2006 10:03 PDT
 
Unusual?
Diplomats some times married at the US Ebmassy,it being American soil
So why would a carreererr diplomat ruin his prospects of promotion by
marrying a forigner in a foring land

KEMLO


Please ecuse the spelling misteaks I am still getting used to an
Alfabetical Keybored
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: bowler-ga on 29 Jul 2006 10:50 PDT
 
Bryan,

Have you seen this?

http://books.google.com/books?q=%22donald+b+calder%22&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wp

Can't see what's in the books but you may be able to track them down. 
Looks promising.
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: bowler-ga on 29 Jul 2006 10:53 PDT
 
Also:

http://books.google.com/books?vid=0rzqy6qfXmsIFZ5ZNnzmF-S&id=ksSiypl6PcYC&q=%22donald+calder%22&dq=%22donald+calder%22&pgis=1



(2 items constitute a stack.  Eh?)
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: myoarin-ga on 29 Jul 2006 12:56 PDT
 
Kemlo, 
You don't know how it was back in those days.  He knocked her up after
the Christmas party, and the ambassador told him that marrying her was
the only way to save his career  - not to mention her reputation and
that of the USA.
Hence the January wedding.
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: pafalafa-ga on 29 Jul 2006 14:01 PDT
 
Lordy, you sure know how to pick 'em.  This guy's as obscure as they
come, without being invisible.

Someone by the name Donald B Calder is listed as the Deputy Chief of
Mission for the US Embassy in Jordan in 1965.  The name pops up in one
or two other contexts, in a very minor and unrevealing sort of way (as
in the first link from bowler-ga).

Fair is fair, though.  How did you come across the guy in the first
place, and how on earth do you know his middle name?

dave
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: crabcakes-ga on 29 Jul 2006 16:56 PDT
 
I think he must be Pro's rich uncle, and Pro is his only heir.
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: answerfinder-ga on 30 Jul 2006 02:38 PDT
 
Bryan,
Was his wife named Mary née Albright? A possible Times reference.
answerfinder-ga
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: answerfinder-ga on 30 Jul 2006 02:48 PDT
 
Bryan,
These are references to Donald B Calder in the New York Times archive.
Trouble is, payment is requirement to see whether it refers to your
man. I'm not sure how reliable the phrase search is in this database.
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/nytimes/results.html?st=advanced&QryTxt=%22donald+b+calder%22&x=0&y=0&By=&Title=&datetype=0&frommonth=09&fromday=01&fromyear=1851&tomonth=12&today=31&toyear=1980&restrict=articles&sortby=REVERSE_CHRON
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: fp-ga on 30 Jul 2006 06:13 PDT
 
Biography Index (Volume 2: August, 1949-August, 1952), as mentioned by
pafalafa-ga, is available in one of the local libraries. On Monday or
Tuesday I could try to find out more.
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: probonopublico-ga on 30 Jul 2006 06:32 PDT
 
Freddy

Your kind offer gratefully accepted!

I'm now looking forward to your news.

All the Best

Bryan
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: fp-ga on 31 Jul 2006 04:28 PDT
 
Referring to my previous comment:

page 148:
CALDER, Donald Beattie, diplomat
Foreign service officers, por[trait] For[eign] Comm[erce] W[eekly]
35:48 Ap[ril] 25 '49

Unfortunately, the local libraries do not have a copy of this edition
of "Foreign Commerce Weekly".
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: probonopublico-ga on 31 Jul 2006 04:37 PDT
 
What a disappointment!

But many thanks for trying, Freddy.

I guess that someone in the States (Dave? Cyndy?) might have better luck.

Bryan
Still Unamazed
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: pafalafa-ga on 31 Jul 2006 07:44 PDT
 
Here in the states, we have something known as a "short stack", a
breakfast treat not quite as debilitatingly massive as a tall stack.

Here, then, my short stack on Donald Beattie Calder:



Born in New York July 24, 1911

Graduated from Columbia University in 1933, subsequently attending
University of Grenoble, University of Berlin, University of Chicago,
and then back at Columbia between 1933 and 1935.

He was a teaching fellow and then an instructor in Economics at the
City College of New York from 1937-1940, and also had a stint at the
Academy of International Law in The Hague in 1938.

Speaks English, German and French. 

He joined the Diplomatic Service in 1940, served as vice consul in
Zurich, attended Foreign Service school in early 1941, then served in
London as vice consul beginning June 2, 1941; became 3rd Secretary in
December 22, 1941; 2nd Secretary on July 11, 1946.

Thereafter, he had a series of posts outside the UK as follows:

8/11/1947 -- Unclear, possibly Washington DC

11/10/1947 -- Brussels

7/16/1951 -- Istanbul

8/2/1954 -- Bonn, as Deputy Commercial Attache, later 1st Secretary

Between 1957 and 1960, various positions apparently as a
lecturer/teacher within the Foreign Service...geography not clear, but
perhaps DC.

1/22/1961 -- Rabat

3/4/1962 -- Amman

10/24/ 1965 -- Manila


End of the trail...! Wish there was more, but there ain't.


paf
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: probonopublico-ga on 31 Jul 2006 08:51 PDT
 
Dave

Very many thanks!

I doubt if anyone is going to do any better.

And you've done what I asked: you've truly AMAZED me.

So, please, kindly post your findings as an answer!

And, if possible, let me know how I can screw the system by giving you
a skyful of stars.

All the Best

Bryan
Subject: Family tidbit - census info
From: katemmh-ga on 02 Aug 2006 10:19 PDT
 
1880 Census - Brooklyn
Boarders (familysearch.org)

George CALDER   Other   M   Male   W   40   SCO   Cotton Broker   SCO   SCO  
Donald CALDER   Other   S   Male   W   12   SCO   At School   SCO   SCO  


Then, oddly enough another George, a cotton broker one year later, in
1881 British Census -- did they return home?  The ages don't bother me
... census info often incorrect.


Donald CALDER   Head   M   Male   48   Scotland   Cotton Broker     
 Agusta A. CALDER   Wife   M   Female   37   L pool, Lancashire, England        
 Agusta C. CALDER   Daur   U   Female   17   Scotland   Scholar     
 Beatrice C. CALDER   Daur      Female   16   Scotland   Scholar     
 Donald CALDER   Son      Male   15   Scotland   Scholar     
 David CALDER   Son      Male   13   L pool Grassendale, Lancashire,
England   Scholar
 Florence M. CALDER   Daur      Female   12   L pool Grassendale,
Lancashire, England   Scholar
 Emily G. CALDER   Daur      Female   10   L pool Grassendale,
Lancashire, England   Scholar
 James CALDER   Son      Male   9   L pool Grassendale, Lancashire,
England   Scholar
 Edith M. CALDER   Daur      Female   8   L pool, Lancashire, England 
 Scholar
 John B. CALDER   Son      Male   6   L pool, Lancashire, England   Scholar     
 George A. CALDER   Son      Male   4   L pool, Lancashire, England        
 Roderick H. CALDER   Son      Male   2   Hoylake, Cheshire, England        


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
  Dwelling   Valentia Road 
  Census Place Little Meolse, Cheshire, England 
  Family History Library Film   1341855 
  Public Records Office Reference   RG11 
  Piece / Folio   3573 / 15 
  Page Number   23 







1920 Census -- Brookly, NY
457 12th Street

Donald Calder, boarder, 52, wd., b 1868, SCOT, arrived 1883; nat 1895(?) clerk
Donald Jr., 10, b NY, father SCOT, mother NY



1930 Census - Brooklyn
New York > Bronx > Bronx (Districts 1-250) > District 108

   So... Elizabeth and Don's mother were sisters ... 

Frank Pillans(?), 44, b SCOT (married 3 yrs)
Elizabeth, 43, b NY
Donald Calder, 18, nephew, b NY, both parents SCOT
Alexander Beattie, 50, brother in law, b NY, parents IRE


NY Naturalization Records (who knows?  Dates on these things don't bother me)
Name: Donald Calder 
Naturalization Date: 08 Oct 1888 
Former Nationality: Queen United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland  
Title and Location of Court: County Court, Kings County, NY 


Passenger records show:

Name: Donald Calder 
Arrival Date: 2 Oct 1888  
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 
Age: 20  
Gender: Male  
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland and Moville, Ireland  
Destination: United States of America  
Place of Origin: Scotland  
Ship Name: Circassia  
Port of Arrival: New York  
Image:  occupation - tailor



Name: Donald B Calder 
Arrival Date: 20 Sep 1938  
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911 
Age: 27  
Gender: Male  
Port of Departure: Belfast and Dublin, Ireland and Glasgow, Scotland  
Ship Name: Laconia  
Port of Arrival: New York, New York  
Image:  Male, Single, b July 24 1911, address 169 E 165th Street, NY NY
Subject: Re: Please amaze me with stacks of info on Donald B. Calder (a US Diplomat)
From: probonopublico-ga on 02 Aug 2006 11:25 PDT
 
Wow, katemmh-ga, you have been busy!

Very many thanks.

I do know that Don's father was another Donald but apparently without
a middle name, according to Don's Marriage Certificate (which I don't
trust).

Donald Senior was described therein as a Company Treasurer (deceased).

All the Best

Bryan

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