Is there proof that chakras are real?  Please point to actual
texts/documents showing whether or not the chakras are real.

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Request for Question Clarification by sublime1-ga on 23 Nov 2006 21:22 PST

Chakras are ultimately as real or unreal as the nerve plexuses
and endocrine glands to which they correspond, but, in ultimate
truth, anything with a form, whether perceptible to the human
eye or the third eye, is but symbolic of a function of spirit,
or definitionless awareness.

Spirit will still digest experience whether it is attached to
the third chakra, the solar plexus of nerves, or the adrenal
glands. So it will function in other ways, as well.

There is no proof, for those born blind, that colors exist,
yet listening to the agreement of those who experience them
will ultimately convince the greatest skeptic. Keeping apart
from such people may allow you to maintain, with others, that
colors are an illusion, and in a sense they are, but they are
useful to those who experience them.

The real question might be, if colors or chakras are perceptible
to others, can anything be gained by exploring their observations?
Which is easier - for a blind man to comprehend color, or for a
normal person to comprehend chakras?

If you'd like references for those who can perceive chakras, I
can provide them, but if you want proof offered by those who do
not see or feel them, I doubt that this exists, any more than
a proof that colors exist, written by a person blind from birth.
Discussions perhaps, by those convinced by those who see them,
but not proofs.

Let me know where this takes you...

sublime1-ga

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Clarification of Question by adamjshort-ga on 23 Nov 2006 22:14 PST

Very interesting. Thank you for the response.

I am still a bit unclear, but your response has definitely helped.  I
recently visited an energy healer who gave me a daily meditation
centered on my 2nd chakra.

Since visiting this healer, I have read several books on the topic of
energy, vibration, meditation, chakras, etc.  Some books seem to treat
chakras as though they are actual physical swirling pools of energy.
These books also claim that there are now sophisticated instruments
that can actually detect the chakras, along with their colors.

However, other books treat chakras in the way you described below --
as something far less intellectual and far more experiential.

So, I am still not sure.  Is there scientific proof of chakras, or am
I still totally missing the point?

Also -- if you could please reference those who can 'see' the chakras,
that would be excellent.

Thank you for your discussion on this topic.

adam...

Thanks for your clarification.

I'll repost here what I already wrote, for the sake of future
readers, and continue from there:

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Chakras are ultimately as real or unreal as the nerve plexuses
and endocrine glands to which they correspond, but, in ultimate
truth, anything with a form, whether perceptible to the human
eye or the third eye, is but symbolic of a function of spirit,
or definitionless awareness.

Spirit will still digest experience whether it is attached to
the third chakra, the solar plexus of nerves, or the adrenal
glands. So it will function in other ways, as well.

There is no proof, for those born blind, that colors exist,
yet listening to the agreement of those who experience them
will ultimately convince the greatest skeptic. Keeping apart
from such people may allow you to maintain, with others, that
colors are an illusion, and in a sense they are, but they are
useful to those who experience them.

The real question might be, if colors or chakras are perceptible
to others, can anything be gained by exploring their observations?
Which is easier - for a blind man to comprehend color, or for a
normal person to comprehend chakras?

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A simple page with traditional representative symbols and brief
explanations of the chakras is on this page from tibetshop.biz:
http://www.tibetshop.biz/singingbowls/chakras.htm

An excellent page to begin the exploration of chakras is this one
from the Crystalinks website of Ellie Crystal:
http://www.crystalinks.com/chakras.html

Another is this introductory page from the extensive website of
Suzan Caroll Ph.D., whose description of chakras makes it clear
that she can perceive them with clarity. Links to individual
pages on each chakra follow in the huge numbers of links to other
related topics at the very bottom:
http://www.multidimensions.com/Unconscious/uncon_body_chakras.html

Those who can see chakras are often called clairvoyant, meaning
'clear seeing', but not all clairvoyants see chakras, as the
term applies to other functions of the third eye, as well, such
as being able to view something remotely. Ellie's page on the
topic of clairvoyance is here:
http://www.crystalinks.com/clairvoyance.html


It should be noted that not all people who are psychically 
sensitive see chakras or auras, and those who do may perceive
them in different ways. Some, who 'see' energies, auras and
chakras, see them clearly, with the third eye, and collectively
describe them as looking like spinning vortices. One of my
real-life spiritual teachers, Paul Solomon, who did psychic
'readings' similar to those of the famous "Sleeping Prophet",
Edgar Cayce, described them in this way. These vortices are
shaped something like a miniature tornado, with the tail on
the inside of the aura and body. Figures 1 and 2 on this page
which is in Spanish are some of the best for showing them the
way they appear to a true clairvoyant. You can also see why
they are sometimes said to resemble flowers:
http://amanecerespiritual.tripod.com/capitulo1.htm

Some people do not 'see' auras and chakras in this way, but
are able to obtain impressions using the faculty of imagination
to perceive mental images which provide intuitive information on
the significance of what is being observed. They may get an
impression or mental image of a red chakra, representing the
first chakra, and see a discoloration which indicates a problem
with the condition of that chakra, or a problem with a function
associated with that chakra.

Others, such as a friend of mine, cannot see auras and chakras
at all, but can perceive them through the sense of feeling. This
is called 'clairsentience', or 'clear feeling'. He started out by
using his hands to explore the space around someone's body and to
focus his perceptions, but this soon evolved into the ability to
empathetically perceive changes in his own chakra centers based on
the condition of another person's chakras. If someone's chakras are
blocked, he can feel this as a kind of 'congestion' in his own
centers. Allowing energy to flow into these congested areas within
himself will often produce improvement in the other person. They
may experience this flow of energy as heat in the affected area,
relief of a congestion, a release of emotion, or an actual flow
of energy. He can do this without the use of his hands, just by
being in the same room with someone, if he has their permission,
and opens his perceptions.

That brings up another point. Sensitives and psychics quickly
learn not to walk around 'open' all the time, and learn to 
regulate their sensitivity so that they are not bombarded by
perceptions they cannot use.


Almost everyone, including me, can see auras to some extent.
Just have a friend stand in front of a very white wall in
very bright light, and most people will soon be able to see
a translucent glow around the body, especially the head, of
the friend. It may help to have them sway a little. It also
helps to de-focus your vision a little, so that you're more
aware of your peripheral vision than usual.

Paul Solomon also taught classes in "Inner Light Consciousness"
which allowed average people to develop their psychic ablities
and get impressions about others which could be verified.

Actually seeing chakras as they are is a relatively rare 
occurence, and requires considerable spiritual development,
depending, in the view of most teachers, on the raising of
the kundalini to activate the sixth chakra or third eye,
as discussed on Suzan Caroll's page on the chakras, given
above.

Nor should such an opening be sought prematurely, as noted 
by Suzan and reaffirmed in this reading from Paul Solomon:

"Now if any one of you in this moment were suddenly to open
 that of the third eye or become aware of all those spirits,
 the nature of those things that occur about the life that is
 in the atmosphere about you, you would not be able to cope
 with the understanding, with the realization of it; so that
 there would be the violence within, and the confusion, the
 loss of sanity. It has occurred often in those that you treat
 here for the insanity, [and these might be cured if] there
 only were the closing, the shutting down of such sight and
 returning within the physical body to deal with the physical
 world of that that you call reality."
http://www.wisdomofsolomon.com/psr87.html

In fact, there's a school of psychology that holds that mental
illness is sometimes the result of a premature awakening of the
kundalini energy which is termed a 'spiritual emergency', as
written about by Stanislov Grof, who pioneered Transpersonal
Psychology and his wife Christina:
http://www.realization.org/page/doc0/doc0026.htm

Grof also pioneered Holotropic Breathwork based on his observation
of a powerfully effective therapy conducted with the client under
the influence of LSD. He concluded that many people taking LSD and
other psychedlics without the benefit of therapeutic guidance were
sometimes triggering psychotic episodes and subsequent mental illness
due to the unresolved spiritual emergencies triggered by the drugs.


The chakra system is actually at the center of the aura, serving
as the backbone and spinal column of the subtler body called the
etheric body, which the aura surrounds. The aura is a more or less
egg-shaped body of light which surrounds a human, and has been 
observed and spoken of by 'psychics', shamans, and brujos such
as Carlos Castaneda's Don Juan, who spoke of the "luminous egg"
visible to the Toltec shamans.


Kirlian photogaphy supposedly captures images representative of
the aura which correspond in brightness to its strength. This 
method satisfies most people as a method of representing the
aura and its chakras to those who cannot otherwise perceive them.
Many such images are available via this search on Google Images:
http://images.google.com/images?q=kirlian

Kirlian photography first gained publicity in the 60s, when a
group of Russian scientists discovered that, just as with a
psychic perceiving auras, anomalies in the photographs were
predictive of physical conditions which had not yet manifested
in the body. The development of Kirlian photography is discussed
on this page on the website of Rubellus Petrinus:
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/r.petrinus/Fkirlian-e.htm


A psychic healer then, can also perceive blockages and 'dark
spots' in a persons aura, before they show up as physical 
conditions and disease, and can often eliminate the problems
before they manifest.

Some such healers are so powerful that they can impact large
numbers of people in attendance at a workshop, without even
working with them directly. One such healer who is currently
giving workshops is constantly receiving letters of thanks
from people who merely attended the workshop, and walked out
with a chronic condition having disappeared, or having been
considerably improved. He is a young man named, coincidentaly,
Adam, and the testimonials can be seen on the right-hand side
of the page:
http://www.dreamhealer.com/

Healers such as Adam may or may not perceive the chakras of
others, but they are most certainly accomplishing healing by
utilizing the accelerated functioning of their own, no matter
what they may be perceiving during the process. I haven't 
read Adam's books yet, so I'm not sure what his process is.


For those who cannot perceive chakras, it is still possible
to work with them using focused mental imagery and the colors
given in this reading from the archives of the Paul Solomon
readings:
http://www.wisdomofsolomon.com/psr119.html

Music can also have a beneficial impact on the chakras, as
noted in this Paul Solomon reading:
http://www.wisdomofsolomon.com/musread.html

I made some comments on another Google Answers question that
had to do with chakras, and you may find them useful, as well:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=713162


If anything is unclear please post a Request for Clarification
before rating this answer.

sublime1-ga


Additional information may be found from further exploration
of the links provided above, as well as those resulting from
the Google searches outlined below.

Searches done, via Google and Google Images:

kirlian chakras
http://images.google.com/images?q=kirlian+chakras

kirlian
http://images.google.com/images?q=kirlian

"paul solomon" chakras
://www.google.com/search?q=%22paul+solomon%22+chakras

chakras site:www.wisdomofsolomon.com
://www.google.com/search?q=chakras+site%3Awww.wisdomofsolomon.com

"russian scientists" "kirlian photography" 60s
://www.google.com/search?q=%22russian+scientists%22+%22kirlian+photography%22+60s

Semyon and Valentina Kirlian
://www.google.com/search?q=Semyon+and+Valentina+Kirlian

"spiritual emergency" kundalini
://www.google.com/search?q=%22spiritual+emergency%22+kundalini

This researchers answer was detailed and very well-researched.

Mine are.

Unfortunately, many people stare at my third eye.

I suspect that they are jealous.

"There is no proof, for those born blind, that colors exist ..."

Colors are measurable and thus we can take that measure and turn it into a form
that a blind person can then interpret as color, just in a different way than a
sighted person.

If a person could perceive the chakras, through sight or otherwise, then a
measure of the chakras should be obtainable on some level other than what is
described as the metaphysical.

According to the Bible, which really is our only true source of
information on spiritual matters, There is nothing left over from us
when we die. The concept of a 'chakra' is similar to the teachings of
the Catholic, and some other religions, that claim the 'soul' is
immortal and departs the body at death, and is independent WITH its
own actions. From such teachings come the idea that dead people can
'haunt' houses and suchlike.
The Bible denies this.
(Ecclesiastes 9:5-6) For the living are conscious that they will die;
but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do
they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been
forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have
already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite
in anything that has to be done under the sun.

(Ecclesiastes 9:10) All that your hand finds to do, do with your very
power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in
She?ol, the place to which you are going.
(Psalm 146:4) His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that
day his thoughts do perish.

This 'spirit' is the same activating force that every living thing
has. What God breathed into Adam's nostrils. When something dies, that
force returns to God. It is NOT an entity that can function
independently. "HIS THOUGHTS DO PERISH" ....SELF EXPLANATORY.

That place is our burial pit, whether it be a hole in the ground or even at sea.
There we will remain 'asleep' in death until we are resurrected.

(Revelation 20:12-13) And I saw the dead, the great and the small,
standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another
scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged
out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds.
13 And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha?des gave up
those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to
their deeds. P.S. 'Hades' is the grave of mankind. It will be done
away with along with death and sickness. Rev. 20;14*

And on what are we to be 'judged'? It cannot be for what we have done
in our past lives. Because these 'sins' have been 'paid for' with our
death.

(Romans 6:23) For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives
is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.

It does seem unfair that a murderer pays the same 'price' [his life]
for his deliberate 'sin' [ crime] that a newborn baby pays for its
'sin' [ inherited from imperfect parents all the way back to Adam and
Eve]. The criminal also has inherited sin. But the scripture is clear.
Death 'pays' for sin.
So what is the judgement all about. It is just HOW those resurrected
ones REACT to WAKING UP in God's new system, where humble acceptance
of the situation will result in life on earth, WITHOUT DEATH OR
SICKNESS, [ Revelation 21;4 **] The baby will surely comply. The
criminal MAY NOT. IF NOT, then instant destruction.
Only the 'righteous' will be allowed to continue.

(Psalm 37:9) For evildoers themselves will be cut off, But those
hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth.

(Psalm 37:11) But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And
they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of
peace.

(Psalm 37:29) The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And
they will reside forever upon it.

So if anyone wants to use their God given free will to believe a whole
lot of philosophical books AND NOT THE BIBLE, its up to them.
 
BUT YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!.


*(Revelation 20:14) And death and Ha?des were hurled into the lake of
fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.

**(Revelation 21:4) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes,
and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain
be anymore. The former things have passed away.?
(1 Corinthians 15:26) As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing.

Addendum; (Exodus 3:13-15) Nevertheless, Moses said to the [true] God:
?Suppose I am now come to the sons of Israel and I do say to them,
?The God of YOUR forefathers has sent me to YOU,? and they do say to
me, ?What is his name?? What shall I say to them?? 14 At this God said
to Moses: ?I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.? And he
added: ?This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ?I SHALL
PROVE TO BE has sent me to YOU.?? 15 Then God said once more to Moses:
?This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ?Jehovah the God
of YOUR forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God
of Jacob, has sent me to YOU.? This is my name to time indefinite, and
this is the memorial of me to generation after generation.

(Exodus 6:3) And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God
Almighty, but as respects my name Jehovah I did not make myself known
to them.

(Psalm 83:18) That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

In some translations, The personal NAME...JEHOVAH...has been replaced
with the title LORD. THE SCRIPTURE THOUGH SAYS NAME! "LORD" IS A
TITLE.
The original NAME of Almighty God is YHWH [ YaHWeH] It appeared in the
original texts over 7,000 times. It cannot honestly be translated
LORD.

adam...

Thanks very much for the 5 stars and the tip!

sublime1-ga